New anti Sine Wave pattern deliveries on Youtube

[Acronym]

A middle ground theory could be that Choi Hong Hi considered the hole concept of SW patterns aesthetics, but that is refuted by listing it along his principles of punching and his various lectures

It is curious seeing him refer to traditional blocks as "not making sense" , simply because they don't sink into them. I'm not sure how sinking into a block adds anything but excessive movement. It's supposed to parry an attack. Why would you raise and lower your gravity and then block? How does that make more sense then just blocking right away?

 

[Earl Weiss]

A middle ground theory could be that Choi Hong Hi considered the hole concept of SW patterns aesthetics, but that is refuted by listing it along his principles of punching and his various lectures

No, not refuted at all. General Choi taught the "Cycle (Composition) of TKD " Which includes the aspects of Fundamental Movements - Individual and Soldier Basic Training, Dallyon- Maintenance of equipment (Conditioning) Patterns, Sparring, Self defense- Actual combat. Excerpting single element and critiquing it as deficient is a "Straw man" critique.

 

[Earl Weiss]

There's no reson why they shouldn't, and the encyclopedias parameters for punching are based the mechanics of the forms. So a fair assumption is that Choi considered the form mechanics to override the sparring mechanics when applied for combat/self defence

To the contrary, there is an explicit reason. Sparring is but one element of the Composition of TK-D and Patterns another. No one does it say either is a substitute for the other or complete in itself.

 

[Earl Weiss]

So you don't know the applications of withdrawing with the other hand?

Why is it difficult to comprehend that I have that interpretation, when the principles for punching outlined are Sine Wave proper mechanics.

I know some, I teach some and had an article published in TKD Times on it. Yet, for an intense combat situation I find most overly complicated. It is likely I was dabbling in Alternate Applications' going to seminars with George Dilman (who sadly seemed to go off the deep end) some of his progeny, Vince Morris, Oyata and reading stuff like Bubishi since you were merely a gleam in your father's eye.

 

[Acronym]

Excerpting single element and critiquing it as deficient is a "Straw man" critique.

If you are transfering the weight back while punching, the hole concept fails. That is what they do, whether the rear foot is placed down or on it's way to be placed down when the punch lands is irrelevant to the critique - it has the same consequence. And they do that even when breaking.

 

[Acronym]

Yet, for an intense combat situation I find most overly complicated.

TaeKwonDo, as you know, took out all grappling content in it's sparring format. Maybe that's why you view it as overly complicated. Things you never do tend to be complicated.

 

[Acronym]

To the contrary, there is an explicit reason. Sparring is but one element of the Composition of TK-D and Patterns another. No one does it say either is a substitute for the other or complete in itself.

I didn't say that either. I was however critiquing this one thing that you seem to feel has cross-over value and likened it to boxing principles.

 

[Acronym]

Isince you were merely a gleam in your father's eye.

I believe he won gold for Yugoslavia in kumite back then, in an art you may have heard of called Shotokan Karate.

 

[Flying Crane]

There's a saying in Chinese, be careful what you wish for.

I asked for a hip twist and i got it in spades .

This delivery is so tensed that I shiver.

Is this an example, in your opinion, of excessive hip twist?

 

[Metal]

I am quoting how it's done. I have been subject to it under an ITF GM for several years.

Was that the instructor who sold you EKF gloves?

I don't know what CDK stands for

Chung Do Kwan 청도관 - one of the first 9 Taekwondo Schools in Korea.

I'd say it's best to take a break from Youtube every now and then and go to seminars (okay, not so easy at the moment), do some research via other sources and read and listen to others carefully. And be aware of the major differences of Taekwondo's basic motion and sparring.

 

[Acronym]

Was that the instructor who sold you EKF gloves?

None of your business

Chung Do Kwan 청도관 - one of the first 9 Taekwondo Schools in Korea.

I'd say it's best to take a break from Youtube every now and then and go to seminars (okay, not so easy at the moment), do some research via other sources and read and listen to others carefully. And be aware of the major differences of Taekwondo's basic motion and sparring.

No need to try and denegrate me. While mr Weiss was dabbling with bullshido artist George Dillman, my father won European gold in Shotokan karate as well as national championship in Yugoslavia, the parent art of the style we are discussing.

But I'm terribly sorry I wasn't conceived yet

Wanna try and denegrate me some more?

I also boxed, and sinking backwards while delivering the strike is the very opposite of sound boxing principles.

 

[Acronym]

Is this an example, in your opinion, of excessive hip twist?

@Flying Crane Excessive motions in general, not hip twist per se. He slips off his own center ( which is wrong in the pattern) by tensing so massively.

 

[Flying Crane]

@Flying Crane Excessive motions in general, not hip twist per se. He slips off his own center ( which is wrong in the pattern) by tensing so massively.

We actually rotate much more than that, in my system. We do not tense up while doing it. But we engage a full-body rotation that is much more pronounced than that example. It is a training mechanism to practice with what could be called “exaggerated” movement, that helps ingrain the process into the body and makes it automatic. In actual use, the movement is smaller and does not need to be so exaggerated, and yet retains the power gained from training with big movements. In Chinese martial arts, often it is said “move big to become small”. This is an example of that.

I can’t speak to what the fellow in the video was doing. But I am just adding contrast and context in terms of what different methods exist.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

We actually rotate much more than that, in my system. We do not tense up while doing it. But we engage a full-body rotation that is much more pronounced than that example.

Agree!

I like to train my 3 punches combo in 2 different ways:

1. Power training - each punch takes 1 second to complete with full body rotation.
2. Speed training - all 3 punches are done within 1 second with minimum body rotation.

Here is a good example of full body rotation. The weight is shifted from the back leg to the front leg in great detail.

 

[Acronym]

We actually rotate much more than that, in my system. We do not tense up while doing it. But we engage a full-body rotation that is much more pronounced than that example. It is a training mechanism to practice with what could be called “exaggerated” movement, that helps ingrain the process into the body and makes it automatic. In actual use, the movement is smaller and does not need to be so exaggerated, and yet retains the power gained from training with big movements. In Chinese martial arts, often it is said “move big to become small”. This is an example of that.

I can’t speak to what the fellow in the video was doing. But I am just adding contrast and context in terms of what different methods exist.

I can't speak to your methodology without any footage but the way he is doing it, he will gas very quickly in a fight if this is the muscle memory that he is ingraining. He is overdoing it tremendously and he is not in control of his body.

 

[Earl Weiss]

If you are transfering the weight back while punching, the hole concept fails. That is what they do, whether the rear foot is placed down or on it's way to be placed down when the punch lands is irrelevant to the critique - it has the same consequence. And they do that even when breaking.

I am sorry but you do not understand the motion, Raising and lowering the heel of the rear foot by foot by having knee bend doe not transfer the weight back / rearward, or at least it should not if done correctly the body should not move forward and back, only slightly up and down.

 

[Earl Weiss]

TaeKwonDo, as you know, took out all grappling content in it's sparring format. Maybe that's why you view it as overly complicated. Things you never do tend to be complicated.

What do you know of my grappling experience?
What do you think of this quote: " “Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.”"

 

[Acronym]

I am sorry but you do not understand the motion, Raising and lowering the heel of the rear foot by foot by having knee bend doe not transfer the weight back / rearward, or at least it should not if done correctly the body should not move forward and back, only slightly up and down.

Your body has to sink back in order to put down the rear heel. It is humanly impossible not to do so.

 

[Earl Weiss]

If you are transfering the weight back while punching, the hole concept fails. .

I suggest you watch the Suska video again and see how much his head and body move rearword as he drops his heel.

 

[Acronym]

I suggest you watch the Suska video again and see how much his head and body move rearword as he drops his heel.

Have a look yourself where you chest is in relation to the space coordinates when you lift the heel compared to when you put it down. It will inevitably move slightly forward during initiation and then slightly back when placing down the heel. If it doesn't even do that, then SW is an even more illogical concept, which I submit is not the case.

There is a semi-rational concept half way although even if the heel stayed up, I would not classify it as based in boxing principles. There are too many factors missing.