New anti Sine Wave pattern deliveries on Youtube

[Gerry Seymour]

It would be interesting to hear from instructors on this board to see if they were ever misunderstood by their students or ever failed to fully grasp what a teacher said during the initial explanation.

One of my favorite anecdotes to share with my students is of me saying “Mr. _____ said it should be done _____.” And my instructor replying, “Yes. I’ve been telling you that for 7 years. You just couldn’t hear me.”

 

[Acronym]

Well, you may claim a significant portion and I would ask how you come by your data. You have referenced various individuals and with the noteble exception of your instructor they were not ITF and / or had little to no direct classroom experience with General Choi.

They broke from the ITF for exactly for that reason.

 

[_Simon_]

Well.. this thread has been a wild ride! Can't believe it's still goin!

That's all, go nuts

 

[Acronym]

Well.. this thread has been a wild ride! Can't believe it's still goin!

That's all, go nuts

"Don't twist your body" /General Choi. "He meant shoulders" /Earl Weiss.

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[Acronym]

The master communicator General Choi..

 

[_Simon_]

"Don't twist your body" /General Choi. "He meant shoulders" /Earl Weiss.

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Meh.. to me when someone says twist it looks like this. Where one part (the bottom) is fixed or going in the opposite direction to the movement of the other, thus twisting around each other. Thus the shoulders twisting (which is essentially the upper body/waist). Don't twist the body would mean don't twist the upper body (twist movement from the shoulders down into obliques etc) and lower body.

And when someone says rotation it looks like this. Rotating around a specific fixed point, but that point can also be at the central axis. So either hip rotating like an open/close door, or with the pivot point in the middle. They're different.

 

[dvcochran]

Well.. this thread has been a wild ride! Can't believe it's still goin!

That's all, go nuts

Yes, clearly Acronym is more than willing to sound totally foolish to get his message count up.
Much respect to Mr. Weiss for trying but I feel he is spinning his wheels.

 

[Acronym]

Meh.. to me when someone says twist it looks like this. Where one part (the bottom) is fixed or going in the opposite direction to the movement of the other, thus twisting around each other. Thus the shoulders twisting (which is essentially the upper body/waist). Don't twist the body would mean don't twist the upper body (twist movement from the shoulders down into obliques etc) and lower body.

And when someone says rotation it looks like this. Rotating around a specific fixed point, but that point can also be at the central axis. So either hip rotating like an open/close door, or with the pivot point in the middle. They're different.

So if a cop asks you to don't move your body, you might still move your hips?

 

[Acronym]

Yes, clearly Acronym is more than willing to sound totally foolish to get his message count up.
Much respect to Mr. Weiss for trying but I feel he is spinning his wheels.

Do you have to kiss his *** every post?

 

[_Simon_]

So if a cop asks you to don't move your body, you might still move your hips?

a) you're changing the words used ('move' instead of twist)

b) you're changing the context to suit your argument (a cop asking you to move your body)

 

[Acronym]

a) you're changing the words used ('move' instead of twist)

b) you're changing the context to suit your argument (a cop asking you to move your body)

Same principle. If he meant shoulders, he would say shoulders. You are the ones changing things.

 

[Acronym]

If a cop asks you to don't twist your body, would you still twist your hip?

There. Exact. Word for word....

I wouldn't twist my hip....

 

[Acronym]

b) you're changing the context to suit your argument (a cop asking you to move your body)

No, I am highlight how absurd this is by showing how in ANY other context, you would not interpret it as excluding the hips.

 

[_Simon_]

Same principle. If he meant shoulders, he would say shoulders. You are the ones changing things.

Well.. no it's not at all man. Completely different! In the context of martial arts movements, like the example images above, that is how I would see it if I heard don't TWIST your body. Twisting occurs at the waist which starts at the shoulders (sort of). Or moreso requires the shoulders to turn anyway. I'm not actually changing anything at all, it's simple language/communication thing.

If a cop asks you to don't twist your body, would you still twist your hip?

There. Exact. Word for word....

I wouldn't twist my hip....

Whaaat.. I would just not use the cop example as it's totally removed from the discussion and confusing points. Twisting is specific, and anatomically it's easy to see what twisting means.

If I say "reach your arm overhead to grab that", I'm pretty sure they're not gonna say "ahhhh but you didn't tell me to raise my hand!" See what I mean?

 

[_Simon_]

No, I am highlight how absurd this is by showing how in ANY other context, you would not interpret it as excluding the hips.

Well the context chosen matters greatly, and that can completely alter the entire paradigm of what language/specific words mean.

 

[Acronym]

Well.. no it's not at all man. Completely different! In the context of martial arts movements, like the example images above, that is how I would see it if I heard don't TWIST your body. Twisting occurs at the waist which starts at the shoulders (sort of). Or moreso requires the shoulders to turn anyway. I'm not actually changing anything at all, it's simple language/communication thing.



Whaaat.. I would just not use the cop example as it's totally removed from the discussion and confusing points. Twisting is specific, and anatomically it's easy to see what twisting means.

If I say "reach your arm overhead to grab that", I'm pretty sure they're not gonna say "ahhhh but you didn't tell me to raise my hand!" See what I mean?

So you would still twist your hip (as you always did before) if a martial arts instructor demonstrating to you his own system, tells you to not twist your body?

Funny how the gentleman in the actual clip didn't...

 

[_Simon_]

So you would still twist your hip (as you always did before) if a martial arts instructor demonstrating to you his own system, tells you to not twist your body?

Funny how the gentleman in the actual clip didn't...

As I said, to me twist the body and twist the hip are different. I wouldn't actually even say twist the hip as that doesn't make much sense..

 

[Earl Weiss]

They broke from the ITF for exactly for that reason.

That reason would be?

 

[Earl Weiss]

Yes, clearly Acronym is more than willing to sound totally foolish to get his message count up.
Much respect to Mr. Weiss for trying but I feel he is spinning his wheels.

Sir, I may be spinning my wheels as far as Acronym goes, but by presenting through my notes, and experience that he has accepted a mistaken conclusion by others without the same experience I have accomplished my goal of skewering the spread of further misinformation.

 

[Earl Weiss]

If a cop asks you to don't twist your body, would you still twist your hip?

There. Exact. Word for word....

I wouldn't twist my hip....

Sir, again, you take something out of context. In the video clip the person he speaks to is rotating / twisting (In my opinion over rotating / twisting) his shoulders. General Choi comments "Don't twist your body" The words with the visual make it clear what he refers to.

Your comment concerning choice of words is being as nitpicky as claiming he called something a "U" shape block but it looks more like a "C" so it should be called "C" shape block. Clear what he meant when coupled with the visual.