Chris Parker you said. "Hi Kframe, considering your recent change in your martial system, perhaps I can help here as well.
The majority of what you do will be "scripted". However, it should be understood that that approach has been the norm (and continues to be the norm) for anyone wanting to deal with actual violence, not sparring. Why? Because it's much easier to teach methods of movement, tactics, principles, and so on that way. You learn to do things the way that the tried and tested system has learnt is the best. The problem is when people stop at the "do this slow so you can remember the whole sequence" level... that's the absolute beginning, and is actually something you do before you begin actually training the art. When these "scripted" actions (Japanese kata... paired) are done properly, it should be at an speed, power, intensity, and range/distance of an actual fight... and it should be done at a level where you can't "remember" what the next step is... you simply do it instinctively. That's the real aim of kata training here. And, when you get it wrong, you get hit. Hard. Properly. For real."
Thank you for the videos you posted. That was awesome watching that first kata video. They were really moving there, I was kinda shocked by the level of speed they were using. I was hoping you could give me the time stamp in the second video that the guy gets hit. I watched it and they were moving so quickly I missed it.
Honestly if more people did kata like that, with that kind of speed and intent, more people would respect TMA. To many tma treat kata like a glorified dance.
Ellis's demonstration wasn't really that fast... but the intensity was definitely there! For some speed, I'd go to this one from Katori Shinto Ryu... specifically the Gogyo no Tachi from about 2:20 onwards...
With regards to the older clip of Katori Shinto Ryu, the hit is in the first kata, at 0:35 (when one of the practitioners goes to a kneeling position, he doesn't get his sword up in time for the block). It's easier to see if you watch the clip in full-screen mode.
So why is it that we don't question a boxers ability to knock someone out, despite them training in a sport? Could it be that we fully recognize that despite the fact that they're training in a sport, they've developed skills and attributes that can be utilized outside a sport environment?
Seriously? Boxers train with the aim of a knockout... so why would it be questioned? But, on the other hand, not all boxing matches end in a knockout... so is that an indication of the failing of the training method? After all, they spar all the time, and still can't get consistent success...
The point is, you don't seem to understand the aim of the training in traditional systems... nor how it is achieved. You're only applying your very narrow criteria (what you think equals "effective", without ever even realizing that "effective" can mean completely different things), and you're missing the fact that your sparring doesn't guarantee success in your self-imposed context either.
I don't find that unbelievable at all. You could very well be a naturally big mofo who can knock people out without any training whatsoever. However, its important to note that just because you have the power to knock someone out without much effort, doesn't mean that the smaller guy next to you can do the same thing. That's why pressure testing what you've learned outside of drills and kata (i.e. sparring) is important.
Uh... I'm not sure you read my description. And, for the record, I'm not a big guy... so, uh, no.... wrong.
Oh, here's a fun fact for you... sparring isn't pressure testing.
For example, in Bjj we have a few female practitioners, and they all have to roll. Why? Because line drilling and demonstrations arent sufficient enough for the application of the technique. You simply cannot simulate a person several times your body weight trying to control you on the ground, in the seated position, or standing up. Further, drilling has a predetermined stopping point, rolling does not. Rolling doesn't end until someone submits. If a 120lb woman can submit a 250lb guy she's better off than a woman who wins numerous kata/form competitions.
Wouldn't you agree?
Firstly, you don't seem to get what I'm talking about as kata... secondly, the apples aren't fond of always being compared to the oranges.
Well with all due respect, I think that's a bit silly. However, you guys are free to train any way you deem necessary towards accomplishing your goals.
I don't think you have a clue what respect is due, so forgive me if I take that as a bit disingenuous... nor do I think you've understood the goals, the aims, or the methods. We ain't sport, and frankly, you don't understand that.
