Not missing your point at all.
The reason I suggest that is because you keep reiterating the whole message of "get to your feet right away, you BJJers are going to get your heads kicked in by choosing to stay on the ground" as if we were advocating staying on the ground or as if we hadn't already agreed that getting up quickly was a priority.
If you and I locked up (with your grappling experience) and following your "safer techniques" you think I could just get up without you attempting to pull me back down to the ground? Would you just allow me to stand back up on my feet? You seem to think like a grappler who will always be fighting a grappler who will choose to battle you on the ground.
If I followed your advice to get back to my feet safely what the hell would you do? Stand up where you aren't as comfortable? NO you would attempt to get me back on the ground.
By "you" do you mean me specifically? Then you are incorrect. Please see the point I just made above and that I have made repeatedly in this conversation.
Or by "you" do you mean some generic opponent who has tackled you to the ground and is determined to keep you there? I suppose that opponent might try to drag you back down if you executed a technical escape and got back to your feet. By that same token, they would also try to drag you back down if you managed to escape by relying on pure instinct and physical attributes. What's your point?
You seem to think like a grappler who will always be fighting a grappler who will choose to battle you on the ground.
Please point to even one sentence I have written that suggests this in the slightest.
SENC-33 said:As far as ingraining survival instincts into people that is natural. One upping the natural part to add "fury" I don't have a textbook message for other than to train with people who do have it. But don't forget I am not a teacher with a class of students. I haven't told a single person here to train the way I do.
Fair enough. I asked because of your earlier question about whether I would prefer to teach technique or survival instinct:
SENC-33 said:If you were giving a seminar to a group of people on ground self defense (with zero experience in anything) and you had 3 hours to instruct them on what to do in the case that they were attacked and taken to the ground by a BJJ grappler, what would you teach them? Would you teach them a couple BJJ techniques and send them on their way hoping for the best? Would you teach them to prey to god and hope everything turns out ok? Or would you teach them to scrap and fight for their lives with everything they have inside them? I'm talking a group of strangers with no training that will go out into the world with what you have taught them in 3 hours and never step foot in a dojo again.
That seems to imply that you think it is possible and desirable to teach inexperienced students to "scrap and fight for their lives with everything they have inside them." If you don't know how to do it, then I'm not sure why you were advocating for it.
Frankly, this conversation seems to be going nowhere. From my standpoint, it seems that you are being vague, inconsistent, and self-contradictory in your claims while responding to assumptions in your head about what people are thinking rather than anything they are actually writing. Unless you have something new to say, I'll leave you to enjoy your training.