Kosho Ryu?
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I read through some of the posted replies. One was the difference between my father, Thomas Mitose and Bruce Juchnik. Juchnik is a Tracy Kenpo stylist. Bruce can't teach the physical part of Kosho. As for someone saying
my dad is a Kajukenbo stylist, ask a Kajukenbo man, Rob Peladeau of the Kajukenbo Cafe what my dad teaches. You can ask Emperado how my dad moves.( He trained with my grandfather James)
As for taking the fight to the ground we are not blind. We call it "groundwork".
For all you Juchnik followers, you should take a look at Mitose's Kosho-Ryu and see the difference. I guarantee your eyes will be opened.
Any questions, feel free to ask.
my dad is a Kajukenbo stylist, ask a Kajukenbo man, Rob Peladeau of the Kajukenbo Cafe what my dad teaches. You can ask Emperado how my dad moves.( He trained with my grandfather James)
As for taking the fight to the ground we are not blind. We call it "groundwork".
For all you Juchnik followers, you should take a look at Mitose's Kosho-Ryu and see the difference. I guarantee your eyes will be opened.
Any questions, feel free to ask.
Danjo
Master Black Belt
So your dad's Kenpo is the same physically as your grandfather's was then?
Kosho Gakkusei
Blue Belt
I've seen and done some Tracy's Kenpo and now study Kosho Ryu under Bruce Juchnik. They don't seem alike at all to me.
Judge for yourself.
This is Juchnik's Kosho Ryu:
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This is Tracy's Kenpo:
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I'd love to see some of your father's kenpo. Maybe you could post a video on youtube and post it on this thread.
_Don Flatt
yes my dad's the same as my grandpa's except it's evolving just like everything else in the world.
That stuff Bruce is doing is not Kosho-Ryu Kenpo in the video.
That MMA,bits and pieces of all the training he has done.
We are a hard hitting style and haven't changed.
My grandpa was a hitter my dad is a hitter and all our students are hitters
We are not jack of all trades,masters of none!!!!!
My dad has told me they have to experience us and they are welcome too.
Danjo
Master Black Belt
"I don't fear the 10,000 kicks that have been practiced one time. I fear the one kick that has been practiced 10,000 times."
I have video footage of your dad demonstrating techniques. They look very similar to Kajukenbo to my eye.
kosho
3rd Black Belt
In 1235 a Shinto priest whom James Mitose called his first ancestor
became enlightened to what we call Kempo. According to Mitose, this
man was a martial arts master and a Buddhist monk studying at Shaka-In
who found it difficult to be both. His religion taught him pacifism;
his martial art taught him destruction. He pondered this dilemma under
an old pine tree meaning Kosho in Japanese. He became enlightened and
was from then on known as, Kosho Bosatsu, the Old Pine Tree
Enlightened One. He discovered the relationship between man and Nature
and also the secret of the Escaping Arts which is what makes Kempo a
True and Pure Kempo or study of all Natural Law through a Martial Arts
medium. Then "the Grand Master founded the Kosho Shorei Temple of
Peace, True Self Defense and Kosho Shorei Yoga School. At that time,
he made up the Coat of Arms and the Motto for his Temple. In his
Temple, he taught how to escape from being harmed by using the
escaping patterns, with God's help.
"References: "What Is Self Defense" 1953 James M. Mitose
"What Is True Self Defense" 1981 James M. Mitose
Only 2 people in the world learned the Escaping Arts from Mitose
Sensei and one of these two learned all the facets of Kosho, namely
its 22 Generation Grandmaster Bruce Juchnik.
The highest goal is to
defend oneself without body contact unlike Okinawan/Japanese Karate
systems or many other Ken/mpo systems.
You say the art of kosho is hard hitting. Well I can name many Kosho teachers under Hanshi Juchnik that you would not want to get hit by.
What hanshi Is showing in the Video is a higher level of the art.
Kosho
became enlightened to what we call Kempo. According to Mitose, this
man was a martial arts master and a Buddhist monk studying at Shaka-In
who found it difficult to be both. His religion taught him pacifism;
his martial art taught him destruction. He pondered this dilemma under
an old pine tree meaning Kosho in Japanese. He became enlightened and
was from then on known as, Kosho Bosatsu, the Old Pine Tree
Enlightened One. He discovered the relationship between man and Nature
and also the secret of the Escaping Arts which is what makes Kempo a
True and Pure Kempo or study of all Natural Law through a Martial Arts
medium. Then "the Grand Master founded the Kosho Shorei Temple of
Peace, True Self Defense and Kosho Shorei Yoga School. At that time,
he made up the Coat of Arms and the Motto for his Temple. In his
Temple, he taught how to escape from being harmed by using the
escaping patterns, with God's help.
"References: "What Is Self Defense" 1953 James M. Mitose
"What Is True Self Defense" 1981 James M. Mitose
Only 2 people in the world learned the Escaping Arts from Mitose
Sensei and one of these two learned all the facets of Kosho, namely
its 22 Generation Grandmaster Bruce Juchnik.
The highest goal is to
defend oneself without body contact unlike Okinawan/Japanese Karate
systems or many other Ken/mpo systems.
You say the art of kosho is hard hitting. Well I can name many Kosho teachers under Hanshi Juchnik that you would not want to get hit by.
What hanshi Is showing in the Video is a higher level of the art.
Kosho
Danjo
Master Black Belt
(coughs and makes sound that sounds like an expletive)
Kosho Gakkusei
Blue Belt
mitose, (Am I to assume this is Mark?)
The press between your Father and Bruce Juchnik is pretty well known. We have controversy and difference of opinion as to legitimacy. The only way to prove which is right in that area would be to subject Juchnik's certificates and your Father's recently discovered copy of your Grandfather's will to independant forensic analysis. Otherwise, all we have is he said vs. he said. Since that is unlikely and expensive let's present some information of value rather than regurgitating old press releases.
You claimed that Bruce Juchnik was merely a Tracy's Kenpo practitioner, I provided some video evidence that shows what Bruce is doing is NOT Tracy's Kenpo.
You were also claiming that your Father is not primarily a Kajukekenbo stylist but now it seems that the main aspect you are putting forth of your Father's Kosho Ryu is that you hit hard. How is that unlike Kajukenbo? In what way does your Father's art differentiate from Kajukenbo? As I said before, I would love to see some video demonstrating your Father's performance of Kosho Ryu so I can see for myself how what he does is unlike Kajukenbo. I'm just curious because I know that your Father is Black Belt in Kajukenbo under Joe Halburna.
Respectfully,
_Don Flatt
The press between your Father and Bruce Juchnik is pretty well known. We have controversy and difference of opinion as to legitimacy. The only way to prove which is right in that area would be to subject Juchnik's certificates and your Father's recently discovered copy of your Grandfather's will to independant forensic analysis. Otherwise, all we have is he said vs. he said. Since that is unlikely and expensive let's present some information of value rather than regurgitating old press releases.
You claimed that Bruce Juchnik was merely a Tracy's Kenpo practitioner, I provided some video evidence that shows what Bruce is doing is NOT Tracy's Kenpo.
Your response from the video is "that stuff Bruce is doing...(must be) MMA, bits and pieces off all the training he has done." Having actually studied what Bruce is teaching and reading two of your Grandfather's books (What is Self Defense & What is True Self Defense), I understand how what Bruce is performing is developed from what your Grandfather taught. Interestingly enough - there are concepts and principles (many of which are found in James Mitose's writings) that underly what Bruce is doing in the video(mostly Onna Atemi - female percusion) as well as the escaping, locking, throwing, & the hard hitting (Otoko Atemi - male percusion) of the Kosho that Bruce teaches. If Bruce made it all up, than he is more talented and brilliant than your Grandfather in my opinion.
You were also claiming that your Father is not primarily a Kajukekenbo stylist but now it seems that the main aspect you are putting forth of your Father's Kosho Ryu is that you hit hard. How is that unlike Kajukenbo? In what way does your Father's art differentiate from Kajukenbo? As I said before, I would love to see some video demonstrating your Father's performance of Kosho Ryu so I can see for myself how what he does is unlike Kajukenbo. I'm just curious because I know that your Father is Black Belt in Kajukenbo under Joe Halburna.
Respectfully,
_Don Flatt
Kembudo-Kai Kempoka
Senior Master
I ain't a kosho dude, but have always been suspect of Mr. Juchnik's claims. Not because of skill; but source. The age old question beaten to death on these fora: How does one learn the physical art through interviews with bars between
He had a cert. I met an old kaju dude running about not to long ago with "proof" that Juchnik's cert was a fake. FBI tested and all; some mention about a signed confession by a cellmate who forged the sig. Ain't seen or heard anything about it since, but thought it was interesting. Hearsay and rumors rock.
What I relate to most is based on the input from one of my old Parker kenpo instructors. He was there a day when Mr. Mitose came by a Parker school, and taught a class. Mr. Perry recounted, "He didn't move like any kenpo I ever saw. He didn't use the speed or semi-circular techniques we were all working on, or had come to know as "kenpo". But he hit like a train. Everything was linear hard-style, and you didn't want to be in his way...he'd run over you and through you all at once."
Sounds like a hard hitter to me. Nowhere in Perry's recount was there any mention of stuff like what Hanshi Juchnik is showing. But one source does not a case make.
D.
He had a cert. I met an old kaju dude running about not to long ago with "proof" that Juchnik's cert was a fake. FBI tested and all; some mention about a signed confession by a cellmate who forged the sig. Ain't seen or heard anything about it since, but thought it was interesting. Hearsay and rumors rock.
What I relate to most is based on the input from one of my old Parker kenpo instructors. He was there a day when Mr. Mitose came by a Parker school, and taught a class. Mr. Perry recounted, "He didn't move like any kenpo I ever saw. He didn't use the speed or semi-circular techniques we were all working on, or had come to know as "kenpo". But he hit like a train. Everything was linear hard-style, and you didn't want to be in his way...he'd run over you and through you all at once."
Sounds like a hard hitter to me. Nowhere in Perry's recount was there any mention of stuff like what Hanshi Juchnik is showing. But one source does not a case make.
D.
He did not learn that from my grandpa!!!!I think everybody knows what the end result in defense is not to have confrontation,thats a no brainer.you guys asked the physical part of Kosho.My grandpa said you should just lay down because it takes 2 to tango.
I don't need to hear all of these sayings because its all old to me.
You never heard the stories that I was told and you know nothing
of his last days.
I find it funny when you say Bruce is a hitter because all I seen him do was pinch.When your that big it should hurt.My dad is 5ft6in and 160lbs with hands that look like they shouldn't be on his body.Everybody is welcome
over here and work out and understand and give opinions etc.....
Mr.Don
Bruce's certificate was found a forgery by a specialist.
When my dad confronted the person who signed it,he confessed
that he did it and many others.
I will not post on this matter anymore....
If Bruce has something to say or discuss
he has my number and email because I tried to contact
him many times...........................
Bruce's certificate was found a forgery by a specialist.
When my dad confronted the person who signed it,he confessed
that he did it and many others.
I will not post on this matter anymore....
If Bruce has something to say or discuss
he has my number and email because I tried to contact
him many times...........................
Kosho Gakkusei
Blue Belt
Thank you for relating that story. Just one class or video clip does not provide total insight into an art. It's not even possible to attain total insight to just one aspect of an art in one class or by watching one video. Matter of fact take hundreds of classes and watch hundreds of videos and you'll still be gaining insight. A class, demonstration, or video will provide a taste of what something's about. The reason I posted the video was to show that what Hanshi Juchnik is teaching is not Tracy's Kenpo as was insuated. As I said it's just a taste of what the SKSKI teaches. There are many aspects to the art that are not being diplayed one of which is how and when to hit really hard.
The question was never whether or not Mitose hit hard. Judging from the off shoots from his Kenpo as well as the makiwara methods he employed - we can establish him as a hard hitter. There's no reason to dispute this.
But I wouldn't be quick to paint James Mitose as a one trick pony based on one class. Neither, should we paint Bruce Juchnik as a one trick pony based on 5 min of video. I won't because I know better.
_Don Flatt
Wasn't a cellmate who forged it,Bruce knows..Linear?doesn't take much to get off the line of fire.so it may look linear but effective.
Kosho Gakkusei
Blue Belt
Mr. (Mark?) Mitose,
I've heard the argument before - with no proof as well just like this time. Not that I've seen the proof myself. Like I said before, I don't think we're going to get anywhere rehearsing old press releases back and forth. It just becomes, "My teacher says ____" "Oh yeah, my Father says ____."
I am interested in seeing a demonstration of your Father's Kosho Ryu. I've seen, experienced, and studied Bruce Juchnik's. Do you have a video you could post? I think the Kenpo community as a whole would benefit from being exposed to a taste of what you're Father has to share. youtube is easy and free. I'd like to see how Tom Mitose's Kosho Ryu Kenpo is different from Kajukenbo and from Juchnik's Kosho.
Mark, I'm surprised to hear that you're having trouble connecting with Hanshi Juchnik. He answers my phone calls if he's not travelling and he never knows who it is that's calling him so it's not like he just answers cause he knows it's me.
Getting a call...
I just got off the phone with Bruce Juchnik because I'm going to be visiting him in November. I mentioned this forum and he said that he has no knowledge of Mark or Tom Mitose trying to get in touch with him. He also said that if people focused the energy their wasting on bad mouthing him into their art they might actually get something meaningful done.
After hearing him say that. I can't think of anything to say. He also said he'd show me his certificates but to be honest with you, I don't even care. I'm more interested in learning what he has to teach.
_Don Flatt
THIS GUY BRUCE JUCHNIK SAYS HE THE 22ND DESCENDANT OF KOSHO RYU. THE ONLY THING HE IS, IS THE 22ND DESCENDANT OF HOW TO TEACH SELF DEFENCE WITH A SHOT GLASS IN HIS HAND. HE DOESN'T REMEMBER,BUT I ALSO VISTED FOLSOM THE SAME TIME HE DID. HE WAS LEAVING WHILE I WAS GOING IN. HE LEARN NOTHING FROM THE LATE JAMES MITOSE AND SHOULDN'T BE CALLING HIMSELF GRANDMASTER OF KOSHO RYU HE HAS NO PROOF. PLUS IT GOES THROUGH THE BLOOD LINE. IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE SOKE THOMAS MITOSE YOUR MISSING THE TRUE DEAL. NOT THIS MADE UP STUFF THAT JUCHNIK TEACHES. AS FOR MY BACK GROUND I'VE BEEN IN THE MARTIAL ARTS SINCE 1969. ANY QUESTIONS WRITE BACK. ASK ME ANYTHING?:asian:
I personally went to his website got info to contact him
and left messages.As for bad mouthing he's the biggest one of all.
I'll try to contact him again,let him know......
Kosho Gakkusei
Blue Belt
