Joe Rogan smack talking TMA's like kung fu

[TSDTexan]

I think a springboard corkscrew splash is more reliable, unless your opponent counters with an elevated double chickenwing dropped into a double knee gutbuster.

Rofl. Thats great! I just spewed coffee.. laughing so hard.

 

[TSDTexan]

Amos was an Air Winger. Hes not the most popular Commandant among grunts And I beg to differ with him as I am no longer a Marine I did my time

His point was that graduating marine boot is what made you a Marine. You take that rare acomplishment wherever you go in life. Getting your DD214 doesn't ungraduate you, it just shows you are momentarily unemployed.

 

[ballen0351]

His point was that graduating marine boot is what made you a Marine. You take that rare acomplishment wherever you go in life. Getting your DD214 doesn't ungraduate you, it just shows you are momentarily unemployed.

I dont care about his point he wasnt my Commandant

 

[Drose427]

And a right cross will change depending what you want it to do.

Definitely

I have a short straight/cross I do when someones jamming me up as i step to the outside,

almost looks like a hook to folks who dont know proper form

 

[drop bear]

I think a springboard corkscrew splash is more reliable, unless your opponent counters with an elevated double chickenwing dropped into a double knee gutbuster.

 

[TSDTexan]

Keep your hands up... also.
Learn head control and evasion.

 

[TSDTexan]

Hironori Ohtsuka, the founder of Wado-ryu, knew and later studied under Motobu in the 1930s and recalled that he was "definitely a very strong fighter".

Ohtsuka remembered seeing a fight, a dueling match, between Motobu and a boxer named Piston Horiguchi. Motobu blocked all the boxer's attacks and Horiguchi was unable to land a single clean punch.

Now Hanzou doesn't believe people use blocks or something like that.

Given that BJJ is a victim of its own popularity and success, and in 2015 all grapling submissions are about 25 % of wins....
with Decisions taking a big increase at the expense of submissions.

Over the last 15 years submissions have gone from 45% of wins down to 25%
In the same 15 years KO/TKOs only increased about 5%.

Striking and defense against striking (blocking, evasion) are right now more important than ever. Either to KO for the win or bank enough points by out scoring (landing strikes)

Which means striking is winning about 2 of every 3 UFC match right now.

Which takes us back to TMAs. A number of MMA fighters are or were Karate-Ka. A lot of these fighters come out of Full Contact Karate traditions. I would hazard to bet that other TMAs are in the mix.

 

[ShotoNoob]

Keep your hands up... also.
Learn head control and evasion.

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Hands up does not work against very strong power strikes.
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Evasion & head control were what the kick-ee was practicing. They are passive defenses which fail in the face of dynamic strikers....
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Good luck with that, sport fighters.... your vid / comment certainly demonstrates....

 

[ShotoNoob]

Which takes us back to TMAs. A number of MMA fighters are or were Karate-Ka. A lot of these fighters come out of Full Contact Karate traditions. I would hazard to bet that other TMAs are in the mix.

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I edited out the bulk of your post, which was spot on....imHO.
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Your stat presentation & accompanying argument are just the MMA theory I have presented here, on numerous posts, T's.
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Striking > Grappling.

 

[Hanzou]

Hironori Ohtsuka, the founder of Wado-ryu, knew and later studied under Motobu in the 1930s and recalled that he was "definitely a very strong fighter".

Ohtsuka remembered seeing a fight, a dueling match, between Motobu and a boxer named Piston Horiguchi. Motobu blocked all the boxer's attacks and Horiguchi was unable to land a single clean punch.

Now Hanzou doesn't believe people use blocks or something like that.

Given that BJJ is a victim of its own popularity and success, and in 2015 all grapling submissions are about 25 % of wins....
with Decisions taking a big increase at the expense of submissions.

Over the last 15 years submissions have gone from 45% of wins down to 25%
In the same 15 years KO/TKOs only increased about 5%.

Striking and defense against striking (blocking, evasion) are right now more important than ever. Either to KO for the win or bank enough points by out scoring (landing strikes)

Which means striking is winning about 2 of every 3 UFC match right now.

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Which takes us back to TMAs. A number of MMA fighters are or were Karate-Ka. A lot of these fighters come out of Full Contact Karate traditions. I would hazard to bet that other TMAs are in the mix.

Ground and pound wins are also considered TKOs, and those are hallmarks of Bjj and submission grappling.

Additionally takedowns and controlling position on the ground can rack up points to help win a decision for you.

 

[TSDTexan]

The reason a 50 year old Motobu Choki dispatched the russian or german boxer quite easily was over 4 decades of daily Makiwara striking and just as much blocking practice.
He struck his makiwara no less then 1000 times a day. Sone days 1500.
By the time he fought the western boxer... he had more than 14.5 million strikes on a target.

This was the old school method... absent from McDojos.
There was an old expression "a dojo without a makiwara is not a dojo".

 

[Hanzou]

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I edited out the bulk of your post, which was spot on....imHO.
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Your stat presentation & accompanying argument are just the MMA theory I have presented here, on numerous posts, T's.
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Striking > Grappling.

That was certainly proven in the first UFCs....

 

[Steve]

Hironori Ohtsuka, the founder of Wado-ryu, knew and later studied under Motobu in the 1930s and recalled that he was "definitely a very strong fighter".

Ohtsuka remembered seeing a fight, a dueling match, between Motobu and a boxer named Piston Horiguchi. Motobu blocked all the boxer's attacks and Horiguchi was unable to land a single clean punch.

Now Hanzou doesn't believe people use blocks or something like that.

Given that BJJ is a victim of its own popularity and success, and in 2015 all grapling submissions are about 25 % of wins....
with Decisions taking a big increase at the expense of submissions.

Over the last 15 years submissions have gone from 45% of wins down to 25%
In the same 15 years KO/TKOs only increased about 5%.

Striking and defense against striking (blocking, evasion) are right now more important than ever. Either to KO for the win or bank enough points by out scoring (landing strikes)

Which means striking is winning about 2 of every 3 UFC match right now.

View attachment 19508

Which takes us back to TMAs. A number of MMA fighters are or were Karate-Ka. A lot of these fighters come out of Full Contact Karate traditions. I would hazard to bet that other TMAs are in the mix.

Jesus this is so specious it makes me crazy. Every professional MMAist is a grappler and a striker. What can you learn about striking over grappling from the ufc? Not much. It's just not very helpful, unless you're trying to find evidence to support what you've already decided is true.

 

[TSDTexan]

That was certainly proven in the first UFCs....

Which of course no longer is the case.
Most of the striking world has recovered from the shock being blind sided by a lack of a viable ground defense.

Many systems are now trying to address it.
Some are living in denial of it.

But its shock value is spent... and many strikers have developed takedown defense. And its starting show in the decrease of subs.

 

[Hanzou]

Which of course no longer is the case.
Most of the striking world has recovered from the shock being blind sided by a lack of a viable ground defense.

Johnny Nunez vs. Ryan Hall - TUF 22 Highlights

Yet it still happens.

 

[TSDTexan]

Johnny Nunez vs. Ryan Hall - TUF 22 Highlights

Yet it still happens.

Not like it used to. And you know that.
45% of wins by submission has become 20%.

You wanna argue facts or opinions?
Ground grappling just doesn't work like it used to.

A lot of strikers have learned how to avoid getting drug down and submitted.

And there are numerous TMAs that employed takedowns and striking the recipient of the takedown. This was not just the forte of Judo/Sambo/Brazilian Juijitsu. G&P is somewhat fairly represented in striking arts.

 

[ShotoNoob]

That was certainly proven in the first UFCs....

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Your evidence is like that presented in the Nick Diaz suspension NAC kangaroo court. Relevant, but not reliable & otherwise incompetent.....
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Ya fell off your wagon, Hanzou, to get grappling fans....

 

[TSDTexan]

Jesus this is so specious it makes me crazy. Every professional MMAist is a grappler and a striker. What can you learn about striking over grappling from the ufc? Not much. It's just not very helpful, unless you're trying to find evidence to support what you've already decided is true.

So are you with Hanzou "We might as well include the blocking techniques as well. Completely impractical, and I honestly have never seen them used in a fighting context."


Or with me "blocks have more value today than in the last 15 years"

 

[Hanzou]

Not like it used to. And you know that.
45% of wins by submission has become 20%.

You wanna argue facts or opinions?
Ground grappling just doesn't work like it used to.

A lot of strikers have learned how to avoid getting drug down and submitted.

Considering the amount of grappling training MMA fighters receive, I'd hesitate to consider them "strikers".

And there are numerous TMAs that employed takedowns and striking the recipient of the takedown. This was not just the forte of Judo/Sambo/Brazilian Juijitsu. G&P is somewhat fairly represented in striking arts.

You can view several of the Gracie in Action fights that end with G&P.

I would be quite interested in seeing some TMA G&P vids. Got any on hand?

 

[Hanzou]

So are you with Hanzou "blocks are worthless"
Or with me "blocks have more value today than in the last 15 years"

Where did I say "blocks are worthless"?