Joe Rogan smack talking TMA's like kung fu

[JowGaWolf]

That kickboxing video hurts my soul. I had to go check their other videos to see what was going on.
They don't care about self-defense nor are they a Martial arts school. People like that exploit martial and then markets their business as if it's a real martial arts place. People who don't research join these places thinking that they are learning the real thing. This is why I get so much back talk about Kung Fu because of people like this.
Here is what you'll find on their website:
"Martial Arts based Kickboxing"
"4th Dan Black Belt in Kickboxing" (Is there such a thing?)
"Lau Gar kung fu" (I've never head of it but this is what it looks like)

Please understand that this stuff isn't kung fu, it's people who are taking advantage of others and making them think that they can fight with this mess.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Getting thrown onto a canvas is different than getting thrown onto concrete.

Just saying....

We practice and train on concrete so we have a good understanding of the damage it can do.

 

[drop bear]

That kickboxing video hurts my soul. I had to go check their other videos to see what was going on.
They don't care about self-defense nor are they a Martial arts school. People like that exploit martial and then markets their business as if it's a real martial arts place. People who don't research join these places thinking that they are learning the real thing. This is why I get so much back talk about Kung Fu because of people like this.
Here is what you'll find on their website:
"Martial Arts based Kickboxing"
"4th Dan Black Belt in Kickboxing" (Is there such a thing?)
"Lau Gar kung fu" (I've never head of it but this is what it looks like)

Please understand that this stuff isn't kung fu, it's people who are taking advantage of others and making them think that they can fight with this mess.

It is what appeals to most people. Easy answers.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

It is about training with honesty and not training with honesty. If I made myself a black belt and invented a style that was rubbish. Then ego or not you can have an opinion on that.

Smack talk isn't always ego driven. Smack talk is not taking yourself seriously. Especially not being able to take smack.

This you must respect my black belt in drop bear jitsu and I will treat your actually worked hard for legitimate black belt in the same manner? That is increadably ego driven.

If I am a crap full of rubbish martial artist then it dosent kill me to find out.

People who spar and test find that out constantly. It is not a curse. It is a gift.

We had a guy come in once and try to teach our boxing coach boxing. So the coach put him in the cage and beat him up.

Now this guy walked out all excuses,he was rusty,had a bad day and so on. And the coach had to sit him down and tell him he wasn't very good. This gives the guy two choices. He can not listen to the advice make excuses and remain not good. Or be humble realise he had been trained wrong and get good.

Many martial artists moving from a martial art without a solid foundation to one that does goes through that and makes that choice. It is not just a tma thing. But is often generalised as a tma thing.

So I will use this video of kicboxing.

They are not very good. That is not an ego issue on my part. They just are not. To say they need to go to a bjj school try that get flogged learn to be better is not my ego. That was just the way I learned.

That was the way Joe rogan learned

Hey I got nothing wrong with training hard, earning it on the mat, being coached and alive training, pressure testing. I and many others do this every day. What I do have a problem with is bad mouthing people, talking down other people, etc. That is what I heard out of Rogan. Regardless of what is or isn't keep your mouth shut and train. You can do that without bad mouthing other people.

 

[Tez3]

It is what appeals to most people. Easy answers.

I'm not so sure that it's easy answers that appeal more that these people appear confident, knowledgeable and competent, not to us but imagine how they look to people with totally no knowledge of martial arts and no way of checking to see if these people are the 'real thing'. People who don't know martial arts also don't know what is 'easy answers' or not, to beginners it's all hard, they don't realise what they are learning is rubbish. We know we've been training for years but for beginner's not so much.

 

[RTKDCMB]

He can not listen to the advice make excuses and remain not good. Or be humble realise he had been trained wrong and get good.

Many martial artists moving from a martial art without a solid foundation to one that does goes through that and makes that choice. It is not just a tma thing. But is often generalised as a tma thing.

We occasionally get students (some times even black belts) who have trained for a while in other martial arts join our classes that were not very good and you just have to wonder 'what have they been learning there?'.

So I will use this video of kicboxing.


They are not very good. That is not an ego issue on my part. They just are not.

Maybe they were just tired, they were going for three hours.

 

[Tez3]

We occasionally get students (some times even black belts) who have trained for a while in other martial arts join our classes that were not very good and you just have to wonder 'what have they been learning there?'.

It's only when they train somewhere else that they realise that perhaps what they've been taught isn't 'all that'. Sometimes though even when their training is really good people don't realise that another may suit them better just because of the differences in style, my instructor always said Shotokan suited bigger people and Wado smaller, just because of the way the stances and some of the techniques are, not because one is better than another.

 

[JowGaWolf]

This is what Lau Gar looks like from the head person for Lau Gar in I guess the UK.

 

[TSDTexan]

That kickboxing video hurts my soul. I had to go check their other videos to see what was going on.
They don't care about self-defense nor are they a Martial arts school. People like that exploit martial and then markets their business as if it's a real martial arts place. People who don't research join these places thinking that they are learning the real thing. This is why I get so much back talk about Kung Fu because of people like this.
Here is what you'll find on their website:
"Martial Arts based Kickboxing"
"4th Dan Black Belt in Kickboxing" (Is there such a thing?)
"Lau Gar kung fu" (I've never head of it but this is what it looks like)

Please understand that this stuff isn't kung fu, it's people who are taking advantage of others and making them think that they can fight with this mess.

Owwe my eyes.

I especially liked the blue flag weapon Kata/parade, at the very beginning. Very inspired.
*claps furiously "

It went downhill from there

 

[Tez3]

Please understand that this stuff isn't kung fu, it's people who are taking advantage of others and making them think that they can fight with this mess.

Look at it with a complete beginner's eyes, someone who has never been into a martial arts club/gym/dojo whatever before and it looks 'doable', it says 'look you can do this' it has everything a martial arts class supposedly should contain so it's no wonder these people think what they are doing is great. I'm betting the people on the video had never done anything physical since they left school so they think they have come along in huge leaps and bounds, I suppose they have in a way, they got off their bums and went to train martial arts but it's such a shame they ended up doing that.

I do dislike it when people laugh and make fun of those in the videos, it's not funny, it's sad and rather dangerous if those people think they can defend themselves. They are doing their best and they have been let down very badly by those who are teaching them. I wish we could show them there's a better way but perhaps they will find it themselves one day.

 

[Hanzou]

laugar kung fu 2014 demo

I'm sorry, but that's just a sad joke.

I do dislike it when people laugh and make fun of those in the videos, it's not funny, it's sad and rather dangerous if those people think they can defend themselves. They are doing their best and they have been let down very badly by those who are teaching them. I wish we could show them there's a better way but perhaps they will find it themselves one day.

In the age of mass communication, there's no excuse for being oblivious to what's real and what's nonsense. You can lead a horse to water, but that doesn't mean they're going to take a drink.

 

[Hanzou]

This is what Lau Gar looks like from the head person for Lau Gar in I guess the UK.

Beautiful forms.

If only we could see him use those techniques on some non-compliant partners.....

 

[JowGaWolf]

Look at it with a complete beginner's eyes, someone who has never been into a martial arts club/gym/dojo whatever before and it looks 'doable', it says 'look you can do this' it has everything a martial arts class supposedly should contain so it's no wonder these people think what they are doing is great. I'm betting the people on the video had never done anything physical since they left school so they think they have come along in huge leaps and bounds, I suppose they have in a way, they got off their bums and went to train martial arts but it's such a shame they ended up doing that.

I do look at it from a complete beginner's eyes. I just think many beginners who take a martial art don't want to learn how to fight and it shows. If a person joins a martial art with the focus of improving self-confidence, getting stronger, being fit, looking cook, or improving discipline then any martial arts program out there will do that, including the horrible schools. The "Mcdojos" are great at doing this and their customers are happy because they are not there to learn how to fight or how to defend themselves. I think we would have fewer videos of bad Kung fu if more people actually took it to learn how to fight. If people don't want to learn how to use it for fighting then they should be told that they are doing a "kung fu fitness" and explain the difference between doing kung fu for fitness and doing it to fighting. They shouldn't mislead those people and give them impression that they can use "kung fu fitness" to defend themselves.

I do dislike it when people laugh and make fun of those in the videos, it's not funny, it's sad and rather dangerous if those people think they can defend themselves.

I don't dislike the people who laugh and make fun of those videos because they know the reality of it and are willing to point it out. I dislike the people who teach incorrectly and mislead people to think that they can defend themselves when the students are clearly not doing the necessary conditioning and training to be able to do so. Like that 3 hour black belt testing video and then make the claim that they don't give out black belts, when if fact based on that training they are doing worst by making people think that those are realistic attacks. Those are the people who I dislike. Like you say, its "dangerous if those people think they can defend themselves." When the time comes to actually defend themselves, those people are going to fight when they should be running.

 

[Hanzou]

I do look at it from a complete beginner's eyes. I just think many beginners who take a martial art don't want to learn how to fight and it shows. If a person joins a martial art with the focus of improving self-confidence, getting stronger, being fit, looking cook, or improving discipline then any martial arts program out there will do that, including the horrible schools. The "Mcdojos" are great at doing this and their customers are happy because they are not there to learn how to fight or how to defend themselves. I think we would have fewer videos of bad Kung fu if more people actually took it to learn how to fight. If people don't want to learn how to use it for fighting then they should be told that they are doing a "kung fu fitness" and explain the difference between doing kung fu for fitness and doing it to fighting. They shouldn't mislead those people and give them impression that they can use "kung fu fitness" to defend themselves.
I don't dislike the people who laugh and make fun of those videos because they know the reality of it and are willing to point it out. I dislike the people who teach incorrectly and mislead people to think that they can defend themselves when the students are clearly not doing the necessary conditioning and training to be able to do so. Like that 3 hour black belt testing video and then make the claim that they don't give out black belts, when if fact based on that training they are doing worst by making people think that those are realistic attacks. Those are the people who I dislike. Like you say, its "dangerous if those people think they can defend themselves." When the time comes to actually defend themselves, those people are going to fight when they should be running.

I think you're on to something here. In Bjj we have a pretty high turnover rate because people don't like to fight. More specifically, people don't like to lose.

It can be pretty soul-crushing to get tapped out or choked out by a 18 year old punk when you're a 30 year old man who wrestled and played football back in the day. However, the simple reality is that 18 year old punk who's been doing Bjj since he was 5 could kill you because the most you've done in almost a decade is push potato chips into your mouth. That is the reality of the situation, and some people just can't handle reality.

That's what the Mcdojos are for. They're a sanctuary where you can perform dazzling forms and pretend to be able to fight like a guy from a martial arts film.

It's the perfect fantasy.

 

[Tez3]

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I don't dislike the people who laugh and make fun of those videos because they know the reality of it and are willing to point it out. .

Not what I said though, I said I dislike the ones who laugh at the people in the videos, they don't know any better and shouldn't be laughed at. The ones who made the videos, that's different but not the students.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I think you're on to something here. In Bjj we have a pretty high turnover rate because people don't like to fight. More specifically, people don't like to lose.

It can be pretty soul-crushing to get tapped out or choked out by a 18 year old punk when you're a 30 year old man who wrestled and played football back in the day. However, the simple reality is that 18 year old punk who's been doing Bjj since he was 5 could kill you because the most you've done in almost a decade is push potato chips into your mouth. That is the reality of the situation, and some people just can't handle reality.

That's what the Mcdojos are for. They're a sanctuary where you can perform dazzling forms and pretend to be able to fight like a guy from a martial arts film.

It's the perfect fantasy.

We had a child student join us, then leave within the first week. I'm thinking the father thought our training was too tough. But she goes away and her father drops in 2 years later to say hello to us and to let us know that his daughter is now one step away from her black belt test. So he asked her to demo her black belt form for us (as any proud father would probably do). When she showed us the form, we were shocked at how horrible it was. I'll put it this way, one wouldn't need to know how to fight to beat it. The father then began to explain the type of "martial art system" she was doing. He said their master told them that their style is gentle on the joints and that they don't get the impact like people do when they punch a pad. We just couldn't believe what we heard. But parents who think like that or who would even want to go to places like that aren't doing martial arts for self-defense at all. The father just saw the black belt for his daughter as a trophy accomplishment, and he couldn't care less if she learned real martial arts. He just wants to be able to say she has a black belt and studied under some well known master.

Parents like that are worst than the instructors who mislead.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Not what I said though, I said I dislike the ones who laugh at the people in the videos, they don't know any better and shouldn't be laughed at. The ones who made the videos, that's different but not the students.

Oh ok. I understand what you mean now. That's the same principle that my school has. We aren't allowed to laugh, smirk, or put down another students capabilities. If a student has bad form then we work with them to correct it. If a student doesn't care about their form then we either correct that attitude of not caring or we ask them to leave. We rarely ask people to leave because we are willing to take as long as needed to correct the attitude of not caring.

We don't tolerate behavior that could be toxic to the other students who are giving their best and struggling.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Beautiful forms.

If only we could see him use those techniques on some non-compliant partners.....

Sorry I don't have any videos of me doing Lau Gar. lol.. This is the best that I could find as far for what you are requesting.

 

[Tez3]

We had a child student join us, then leave within the first week. I'm thinking the father thought our training was too tough. But she goes away and her father drops in 2 years later to say hello to us and to let us know that his daughter is now one step away from her black belt test. So he asked her to demo her black belt form for us (as any proud father would probably do). When she showed us the form, we were shocked at how horrible it was. I'll put it this way, one wouldn't need to know how to fight to beat it. The father then began to explain the type of "martial art system" she was doing. He said their master told them that their style is gentle on the joints and that they don't get the impact like people do when they punch a pad. We just couldn't believe what we heard. But parents who think like that or who would even want to go to places like that aren't doing martial arts for self-defense at all. The father just saw the black belt for his daughter as a trophy accomplishment, and he couldn't care less if she learned real martial arts. He just wants to be able to say she has a black belt and studied under some well known master.

Parents like that are worst than the instructors who mislead.

Ah but she has 'discipline'! I've met parents like this in all sorts of circumstances, we had a father almost stalking us to buy my daughters pony because he thought it was faster than his daughters, offered us all sorts of money we turned down. He really wanted his daughter to win at local gymkhanas and one day events, to be honest she never seemed that keen but I guess wanted to please dad. He couldn't understand it wasn't the pony it was my daughter that was fast, she trains racehorses now for arguably the top race yard in the country. Some parents never understand sadly.

 

[drop bear]

We occasionally get students (some times even black belts) who have trained for a while in other martial arts join our classes that were not very good and you just have to wonder 'what have they been learning there?'.



Maybe they were just tired, they were going for three hours.

They didn't look very tired.