I've answered that several times. I am not required to stand at attention while speaking to the police either. The government has no authority to tell people how them must stand.
Never said you had to salute them. But, if someone is being questioned, they're acting very nervous, hands in pockets, etc., that makes the situation tense, even moreso for the cop, and if you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. You complain about being treated like a POS by the police, yet you seem to think that simple things like this would not help the situation. If the cop pulls 4 people out of a car, and tells them to sit on the curb, stand mear his car, whatever, why not do it? So, you're saying they can or would be in the right to tell the cop to **** off, that they're not sitting on the curb or near his car and they'll stand where they want, is ok? Yeah, and then you wonder why people like that have issues with the cops? See KP, this is what you fail or dont want to see. Its that cocky dumbass attitude that people give off, that sets the pace for headaches. Is sitting on the curb for a few really the crime of the century? Is it really that much to ask?
I never said they are. I said that has been the limits of my experience. I've gone out of my way to assert, time and again, that I don't believe my experience defines all police; rather, I have repeatedly stated I believe most cops are hard working, honest folks trying to do a hard job well. But somehow you keep missing that.
blink*blink, blink* Hmm...still don't see your reply regarding YOU being in the position of the cop, facing someone with hands in pockets, alone, at night, while they fidget around. Would you wonder if they had a weapon? Would you want them to stand still, stop moving like they have ants in their pants and cooperate?
Go read that thread. I stated what I new to be an unpopular view, namely that there are police who enjoy hurting people. The discussion started on that point and several people came in and specifically said it is always the victim's fault. That universal claim is what I discussed, and I did not there, nor here, attempt to "bash the police" in general. On the flip side, it is hard to even engage the police and their representatives on issues with police violence because the immediate reaction is to deny that it happens, or at least it never happens where they are. Or if it does, the claim is always that it's dealt with immediately and harshly -- even though the evidence presented in criminology and sociology journals says otherwise. But, when one points to those sources, one is told that they are biased sources.
Never said that all cops were saints. Point out where I have? However, seeing that the focus of that topic was the knee on the neck, which was really the shoulder, I don't see how that is hurting someone, when there is a 99.99% chance that the guy on the ground with the knee on his back, was acting like an *******.
I always try to avoid violence if possible.
Hey, we're on the same page about something. Strange things do happen. Anyways...my point of that was, we're both agreeing that we do what we can to relax the situation. I'm applying that same idea to someone being detained by the cops.
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And let's see .. as for the hands in the pocket thing, again I've repeatedly stated that if asked politely to remove my hands from my pockets, I'd almost certainly do so without reservation. My point is not that I wouldn't do it to make the officer feel safer, my point is that I wouldn't have to. Again, something I've said repeatedly.
And my link just proves that by acting suspicious, it leads to a more tense situation. Take your hands out, chances are the cop just relaxed a bit more. Turn your interior light on at night when you get pulled over, it eases his mind a bit more, now that he can see better inside the car. If that jackass inmate had not pulled away from me and let me look in his pocket like I was trying to do, he'd have saved himself alot of headache. But nooooo...instead he's gotta show off to the homeboys. In the end, he lost, just like I said. I gave him a chance, a choice, to do things the easy way...he chose the hard way.
