"combat" hkd... sry
- Thread starter goingd
- Start date
- Status
It is quite obviously revolutionary because it evoke such a response from traditional hapkido practitioners. If you didn't think it was revolutionary, would we be having this conversation?
I think that the comparison to the shape of the earth is a bit difference. Particularly when both of those statements were made in an effort to "justify" or futher explain the actions that the men took. It is quite obvious that people still believe that all of the traditional stuff is necessary or useful (myself included, I practice two traditional styles and the traditional part is what I like the most), therefore, saying the opposite is still revolutionary.
Take for example if during the first American Revoluation, only a small portion of the colonies had gained independence, like...a single state. Then 40 years later, someone started a new revolution. I would think that is a better comparison if that's what you're going for.
In both cases though, they created something that is useful to the people who practice it and something that people like. So let them like it - JKD hasn't "stolen" anyone away from Wing Chun and they've gotten over it. JKD has proven itself. CHKD may very well do the same 20 years from now.
I think that the comparison to the shape of the earth is a bit difference. Particularly when both of those statements were made in an effort to "justify" or futher explain the actions that the men took. It is quite obvious that people still believe that all of the traditional stuff is necessary or useful (myself included, I practice two traditional styles and the traditional part is what I like the most), therefore, saying the opposite is still revolutionary.
Take for example if during the first American Revoluation, only a small portion of the colonies had gained independence, like...a single state. Then 40 years later, someone started a new revolution. I would think that is a better comparison if that's what you're going for.
In both cases though, they created something that is useful to the people who practice it and something that people like. So let them like it - JKD hasn't "stolen" anyone away from Wing Chun and they've gotten over it. JKD has proven itself. CHKD may very well do the same 20 years from now.
Kumbajah
Purple Belt
I don't think it revolutionary because nothing GM P is saying is new.
So I don't think the analogy holds water - So every martial art seeming can have a their own revolution? BL statement was applicable across the board no just for Wing Chun. Cross training is hardly a new concept that predates BL in the modern area as well.Self Defense classes based on MAs but not the full MAs isn't new either.
I thinks BL's message was to look at what you are doing critically and don't get caught up in the trappings. (his "classical mess") Also BL didn't say he was revising WC - his for the totality of MAs. Much broader than "I'm making a better self defense system out of this outdated one" He was more inline with the zeitgeist of the time - "free yourself"
For me this isn't a turf war or about stealing anyone if people like spending their money on this - it's their money - I think they are just misguided - I think there is too much bad HKD out there as it is - TKD "add on", distance learning etc. So I think less people doing better HKD is more desirable than more people doing bad HKD. Making it easier for broad consumption is a problem imo not a solution to a problem. So I find the statement more silly than inspiring esp in light of calling his art a "do" and removing the "do" aspects. He seems more Carnie barker then revolutionary. Obviously others differ.
So I don't think the analogy holds water - So every martial art seeming can have a their own revolution? BL statement was applicable across the board no just for Wing Chun. Cross training is hardly a new concept that predates BL in the modern area as well.Self Defense classes based on MAs but not the full MAs isn't new either.
I thinks BL's message was to look at what you are doing critically and don't get caught up in the trappings. (his "classical mess") Also BL didn't say he was revising WC - his for the totality of MAs. Much broader than "I'm making a better self defense system out of this outdated one" He was more inline with the zeitgeist of the time - "free yourself"
For me this isn't a turf war or about stealing anyone if people like spending their money on this - it's their money - I think they are just misguided - I think there is too much bad HKD out there as it is - TKD "add on", distance learning etc. So I think less people doing better HKD is more desirable than more people doing bad HKD. Making it easier for broad consumption is a problem imo not a solution to a problem. So I find the statement more silly than inspiring esp in light of calling his art a "do" and removing the "do" aspects. He seems more Carnie barker then revolutionary. Obviously others differ.
OP
OP
goingd
Purple Belt
Bruce Lee had above acceptable foot work. He could show what he claimed to know and then some, from Wing Chun to his own Jeet Kun Do. Bruce Lee believed in low kicks, but his high kicks were outstanding. He did not buy his way into rank.
There is a difference between something that is positively revolution and something that is negatively revolutionary. Revolutionary War, not so great. All I can say is Combat Hapkido is a misguided concept in my opinion. Honestly I would have been more pleased if Pelligrini had promoted himself and gave his system a name other than Hapkido - but that probably would not have sold.
.... ^~^
There is a difference between something that is positively revolution and something that is negatively revolutionary. Revolutionary War, not so great. All I can say is Combat Hapkido is a misguided concept in my opinion. Honestly I would have been more pleased if Pelligrini had promoted himself and gave his system a name other than Hapkido - but that probably would not have sold.
.... ^~^
Father Greek
Green Belt
As a long time practitioner of Combat Hapkido, I would like to thank you for helping me see the way! After taking several of GMP's high kicks and being treated like a puppet on a string during one of his flow drills, I now see that it was nothing but smoke and mirrors. I will now begin to spread the word to the many members of the Military and Law Enforcement communities that depend on the skills that they were taught by GMP, that what they learned is suspect and should not rely on them. Thanks again for making my path clear!
Father Greek
Green Belt
As for being off topic, it is clear that the OP wants to take this direction so in this case I do not feel bad.
The original post did seem kind of trollish, but I gave it the benefit of the doubt. . .unfortunately.
Kumbajah
Purple Belt
Flow drills aren't HKD - kind of confusing the map for the territory.
BTW why is throwing high kicks? (in light of his statement n' all)
jim777
Master Black Belt
The whole thread is an anti-CHK troll, a "this style isn't as good as mine" exercise. And I had just gotten a 4th dan Okinawan stylist i know and respect to join this site because we didn't do that here.
jim777
Master Black Belt
Thanks for that broad generalization. It was....time consuming.
- Status
