Plus, it is hard to maintain your centre if you clash physically, especially against a bigger, stronger opponent.
Combat between Kiai master and MMA fighter
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TSDTexan
Master of Arts
Creepy smile dude.... Very intimidating.
I know... I can do it too.
TSDTexan
Master of Arts
On the subject of Aikido. Or Kiai fighters...
This was a very interesting read.
“Yukiyoshi Sagawa: Daito-ryu Master,” by Kiyokazu Maebayashi
Sagawaga, was a student of the great Takada, just like Morihei Ueshiba.
Here is a great quote:
Thus, he is able to throw us even when we have no direct body contact with him at all, except through inanimate things, such as his clothing, which usually cannot transmit power. I have seen Sensei execute these techniques on my seniors many times, but ever since I actually experienced them myself, I find them more and more mysterious. They can only be called miraculous.
About Sagawa Sensei’s Aiki Techniques
Here, I would like to discuss Sensei’s techniques in a little more detail, based on the experience and knowledge I have so far.
The amazing thing is that his students (including myself) truly attack him all out. Sensei is 87 years old. This is unthinkable in other martial arts or sports. Although Kendo, which I also practice, is said to be one of the few martial arts in which older practitioners can continue to improve themselves technically in spite of their advanced age, there can be no comparison with Sagawa Sensei. Usually when we practice with older people, we try to use less of our power.
This was a very interesting read.
“Yukiyoshi Sagawa: Daito-ryu Master,” by Kiyokazu Maebayashi
Sagawaga, was a student of the great Takada, just like Morihei Ueshiba.
Here is a great quote:
Thus, he is able to throw us even when we have no direct body contact with him at all, except through inanimate things, such as his clothing, which usually cannot transmit power. I have seen Sensei execute these techniques on my seniors many times, but ever since I actually experienced them myself, I find them more and more mysterious. They can only be called miraculous.
About Sagawa Sensei’s Aiki Techniques
Here, I would like to discuss Sensei’s techniques in a little more detail, based on the experience and knowledge I have so far.
The amazing thing is that his students (including myself) truly attack him all out. Sensei is 87 years old. This is unthinkable in other martial arts or sports. Although Kendo, which I also practice, is said to be one of the few martial arts in which older practitioners can continue to improve themselves technically in spite of their advanced age, there can be no comparison with Sagawa Sensei. Usually when we practice with older people, we try to use less of our power.
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wushu_fighter
White Belt
Long time ago of this post. I have seen this message and I wanted to make a reflection regarding your answer. I totally agree with what you say, and furthermore, at present, with the rise of the UFC and mixed martial arts, it is clearly seen that to be able to fight in real conditions, you must have learned to receive and fit strikes. If not, you have nothing to do. For martial arts practitioners who have not experienced even one hard punch, especially to their face I would say, they have nothing to do in a real fight. One punch in the face and the fear, pain and insecurity would completely invade them, leaving them with no possibility of reaction.
Shrug, I’ve heard some of these masters can actually fight.
By these masters, I mean masters of internal energy. It’s not to say they can pull off nonsense like many claim. But some seem to be able to do crazy stuff Martin Wheeler, Vladimir Vasikiev.
mograph
Master of Arts
IMO, the "no-touch" masters with some integrity say that they're not showing off their own fighting skill: they're demonstrating how sensitive the students are to the teacher's movements. (shrug)
... but I think the guys who think they can no-touch fight somebody started to believe their own press. Too bad.
... but I think the guys who think they can no-touch fight somebody started to believe their own press. Too bad.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
They have successfully taught their students to fall down on cue
I want to see a student can apply this on his own teacher.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
There is one.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
It's like martial arts choreograph. IF you watch the Kiai dude, it's not always an energy ball from a distance. Sometimes the students get really close, and he's not even watching some of them, he's just waving his hands as they get close and physics just destroys them. Like he's conducting an orchestra. It's memorizing in a way.
There was a sequel to that story by the way. The Kiai dude challenged a judo black belt to sudden death sumo match on live TV. The Kiai master was offered 5 million if he won. I would have taken that deal.
windwalker099
Master Black Belt
Old masters...Background reading....for those interested
Stretching his right hand upward, Morihei Sensei said, “Those who practice Aiki should understand the heart of faraway America.”
I immediately thought to myself, “Please come and throw me,” expecting that Morihei Sensei would read my thoughts. Of course, this was merely something I thought in my own mind. However, at that instant, Morihei Sensei, who was looking out the window, turned to me. To my surprise, he started to walk in my direction.
He was small, about 150 cm tall, but at that time I felt he was very big. It seemed to me that there was a big wall in back of Morihei Sensei and it was approaching me powerfully. Since I had never taken a fall for Morihei Sensei up until that time, I became very tense. I thought to myself, “Oh no! What shall I do?” as he approached very close to me.
He raised his right hand up as if to execute an iriminage throw and shouted, “Eii!” I fell backward. Then, turning to me, Morihei Sensei said, “That was good!” Then, I bowed down with both hands touching the tatami mumbling, “Ha-ha.”
Stretching his right hand upward, Morihei Sensei said, “Those who practice Aiki should understand the heart of faraway America.”
I immediately thought to myself, “Please come and throw me,” expecting that Morihei Sensei would read my thoughts. Of course, this was merely something I thought in my own mind. However, at that instant, Morihei Sensei, who was looking out the window, turned to me. To my surprise, he started to walk in my direction.
He was small, about 150 cm tall, but at that time I felt he was very big. It seemed to me that there was a big wall in back of Morihei Sensei and it was approaching me powerfully. Since I had never taken a fall for Morihei Sensei up until that time, I became very tense. I thought to myself, “Oh no! What shall I do?” as he approached very close to me.
He raised his right hand up as if to execute an iriminage throw and shouted, “Eii!” I fell backward. Then, turning to me, Morihei Sensei said, “That was good!” Then, I bowed down with both hands touching the tatami mumbling, “Ha-ha.”
Gyakuto
Senior Master
Hysteria, then?Old masters...Background reading....for those interested
Stretching his right hand upward, Morihei Sensei said, “Those who practice Aiki should understand the heart of faraway America.”
I immediately thought to myself, “Please come and throw me,” expecting that Morihei Sensei would read my thoughts. Of course, this was merely something I thought in my own mind. However, at that instant, Morihei Sensei, who was looking out the window, turned to me. To my surprise, he started to walk in my direction.
He was small, about 150 cm tall, but at that time I felt he was very big. It seemed to me that there was a big wall in back of Morihei Sensei and it was approaching me powerfully. Since I had never taken a fall for Morihei Sensei up until that time, I became very tense. I thought to myself, “Oh no! What shall I do?” as he approached very close to me.
He raised his right hand up as if to execute an iriminage throw and shouted, “Eii!” I fell backward. Then, turning to me, Morihei Sensei said, “That was good!” Then, I bowed down with both hands touching the tatami mumbling, “Ha-ha.”
Sounds like panic and being startled. You can do the same thing with a well timed "boo"
Gyakuto
Senior Master
….or a monkey scream
windwalker099
Master Black Belt
None of the above 
"(1) In Sagawa's dojo people try to resist the technique and it is incumbent on Tori to cultivate his power to move the other person. So it is effective from day one, rather than the uke taking dives for the Sensei in Aikido."
"(1) In Sagawa's dojo people try to resist the technique and it is incumbent on Tori to cultivate his power to move the other person. So it is effective from day one, rather than the uke taking dives for the Sensei in Aikido."
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Ukemi wins again!
wushu_fighter
White Belt
The thought of a confrontation between two "masters" like this... I would like to see it!
Perhaps there is already one and even there is some footage....
If anyone knows about them, post it, please!
_Simon_
Senior Master
I feel like there would be a lot of glaring at each other, glaring with intent... that's just the visual that pops up!
The thought of a confrontation between two "masters" like this... I would like to see it!
Perhaps there is already one and even there is some footage....
If anyone knows about them, post it, please!
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
ugh image embed fail.
Click to see what happens when two Neigong masters meet.
Click to see what happens when two Neigong masters meet.
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