Christianity, the religion of Death, Rape, Slavery and Murder in it's own words.

stevebjj said:
Jenna, I think that's exactly the point. If I understand correctly, Bob is trying a different tactic to persuade some people on the forum that they are doing nothing more than "extract[ing] verses from any holy text and cite it in a complete contextual vacuum." The point I'm getting from Bob is exactly your point, any numpty (I love this word) can do this, and many here have been doing this for months against the muslim faith. He's tried refuting the arguments against muslims by Twin Fist with facts and that hasn't gone anywhere, so I applaud him for taking a different tack and demonstrating how easy it is for any numpty to pull things out of context.

Take this same point and apply it to socialism, liberalism, progressivism, conservativism or any other ism you can think of. The lesson is this: any numpty can do this.
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Steve, I absolutely get that Bob is being devil's advocate (parden the pun) here for the sake of commonsense and moderation. I get that, and but unfortunately the tools with which devil's advocate is played are those that perpetuate (in unenlightened circles) the use of out of context verses and chapters to validate the actions of those who feel disenfranchised or do not understand the world and how it treats them like Breivik et al. When playing devil's advocate I think we need be careful that we do not inadvertently arm those with opposing viewpoints and who miss entirely the devil's advocacy :) I think this is plain and I think the true nature of the OP is lost on whomever it is directed at, as is obvious by the continuation of this thread in the same vein.

Like I say, it is all internet traffic and which is fuel for a forum I know this :) Again I mean no offence to anyone. Jenna
 
MaxiMe said:
Depends on what version you are reading what word is used.
New International = You shall not murder
21st cent King James = Thou shalt not kill
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Neither Canuck nor I use or read either version, we have the original :), the rest are translations of translations. As we've seen on here before we have misunderstandings between American English and the original English English so it's not surprising the Christian versions get skewed.
 
Tez3 said:
Neither Canuck nor I use or read either version, we have the original :), the rest are translations of translations. As we've seen on here before we have misunderstandings between American English and the original English English so it's not surprising the Christian versions get skewed.
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But, do you read it in the original Aramaic and Hebrew, or in English?
;)
 
From wikipedia:

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[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]2[/SUP] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;[SUP]3[/SUP] you shall have no other gods before me.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]6[/SUP] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;[SUP]7[/SUP] you shall have no other gods before me.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]4[/SUP] You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.[SUP]5[/SUP] You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
[SUP]6[/SUP] but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]8[/SUP] You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.[SUP]9[/SUP] You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,
[SUP]10[/SUP] but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]7[/SUP] You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]11[/SUP] You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]8[/SUP] Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy.[SUP]9[/SUP] For six days you shall labour and do all your work.
[SUP]10[/SUP] But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
[SUP]11[/SUP] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]12[/SUP] Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you.[SUP]13[/SUP] For six days you shall labour and do all your work.
[SUP]14[/SUP] But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.
[SUP]15[/SUP] Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]12[/SUP] Honour your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]16[/SUP] Honour your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]13[/SUP] You shall not murder.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]17[/SUP] You shall not murder.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]14[/SUP] You shall not commit adultery.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]18[/SUP] Neither shall you commit adultery.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]15[/SUP] You shall not steal.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]19[/SUP] Neither shall you steal.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]16[/SUP] You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]20[/SUP] Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]17[/SUP] You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]21[/SUP] Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife.Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.


[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


HMMM....THESE ARE "THE LAWS" THAT ARE SPOKEN OF...YEAH, I SEE WHERE JESUS IS SAYING GO AND KILL PEOPLE. OH, THAT IS RIGHT, THE THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER WAS UPDATED TO " THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER...UNLESS YOU THINK THEY REALLY DESERVE IT"
 
billcihak said:
From wikipedia:

[TABLE="class: wikitable"]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]2[/SUP] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;[SUP]3[/SUP] you shall have no other gods before me.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]6[/SUP] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;[SUP]7[/SUP] you shall have no other gods before me.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]4[/SUP] You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.[SUP]5[/SUP] You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
[SUP]6[/SUP] but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]8[/SUP] You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.[SUP]9[/SUP] You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,
[SUP]10[/SUP] but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]7[/SUP] You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]11[/SUP] You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]8[/SUP] Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy.[SUP]9[/SUP] For six days you shall labour and do all your work.
[SUP]10[/SUP] But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
[SUP]11[/SUP] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]12[/SUP] Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you.[SUP]13[/SUP] For six days you shall labour and do all your work.
[SUP]14[/SUP] But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.
[SUP]15[/SUP] Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]12[/SUP] Honour your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]16[/SUP] Honour your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]13[/SUP] You shall not murder.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]17[/SUP] You shall not murder.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]14[/SUP] You shall not commit adultery.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]18[/SUP] Neither shall you commit adultery.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]15[/SUP] You shall not steal.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]19[/SUP] Neither shall you steal.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]16[/SUP] You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]20[/SUP] Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][SUP]17[/SUP] You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.
[/TD]
[TD][SUP]21[/SUP] Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife.Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.


[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



HMMM....THESE ARE "THE LAWS" THAT ARE SPOKEN OF...YEAH, I SEE WHERE JESUS IS SAYING GO AND KILL PEOPLE. OH, THAT IS RIGHT, THE THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER WAS UPDATED TO " THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER...UNLESS YOU THINK THEY REALLY DESERVE IT"
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Yup. As they say in Bob's new noodle state " judge he needed killin"
 
Jenna said:
Like I say, it is all internet traffic and which is fuel for a forum I know this :) Again I mean no offence to anyone. Jenna
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:) I guess for me... I just saw it as Bob attempting to speak the same language, using the same logic to demonstrate how flawed it is. We all know Bob doesn't have an axe to grind with xtianity.

I'll say that I really appreciate that it seems most people here get the message and appreciate it. Sometimes, it seems that the level of contempt reaches the point of complete saturation. Overall, this thread has made serious points and still be mostly light hearted and cordial.
 
At a basic level Bob, you definetly don't have to worry about a priest or pope putting a death sentence on you for what you have posted here. There are actual people who are in hiding now for speaking out about Islam, Salmon Rushdie for years and the woman who worked with Theo Van Goh, who was murdered because of the film he made. The individuals, individuals, who have killed abortion doctors, recieve no mainstream support or state sponsorship. Regular christians are not afraind to denounce their actions and do not advocate repeats of their actions. There is no dancing in the streets at the death of those doctors either.
 
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