Can you learn from video?

[Buka]

And then there are the rare exceptions to the rule. Louis Delgado, a competitor from the 60's, was self taught. And there wasn't any video back then. He learned from books.

Strange, yes, but the man could fight.

 

[Flying Crane]

^^^^And I have said....may be true from some, but not for everyone. You cannot generalize your opinion and experience to everyone. I have pointed out that I have learned well from video in several different ways. "themodernfighter" has said the same just today. Others have said the same on this thread. So we can say with good confidence that it IS possible. You cannot say that it is impossible. We only have to show that it has worked for some people. You would have to show that it has NEVER worked for anyone. So get off your high horses and use a little common sense here.

Yeah I know, everyone wants to believe that they are that rare exception who could really do it.

 

[Flying Crane]

And then there are the rare exceptions to the rule. Louis Delgado, a competitor from the 60's, was self taught. And there wasn't any video back then. He learned from books.

Strange, yes, but the man could fight.

I don't know anything about Louis Delgado, never even heard the name before.

However, lots of people are really good fighters, without any kind of instruction or formal training. Just because they looked at a book or a video, doesn't mean they are learning or training martial arts. Some people are just fighting, and they are naturally athletic enough to do it. If that is all they want, well fine. But they have no claim to training X, Y, or Z martial art, they haven't learned it with any real understanding.

 

[KPM]

Yeah I know, everyone wants to believe that they are that rare exception who could really do it.

So you think everyone on this thread that has said they have benefited from learning from videos is either deluded or lying?

 

[Flying Crane]

So you think everyone on this thread that has said they have benefited from learning from videos is either deluded or lying?

If video was used as a supplement to legitimate instruction, then no. I've said many times that there is no problem with that, if gone about in the proper way. Yes, one can "learn things from video."

If video was the primary or only source, or the bulk of the instruction, then I honestly suspect people are not nearly so skilled or knowledgeable as they may think they are. That's the thing with self-instruction: you really have no idea how good you are or are not. It's very easy to be lost in the fog and not even know it.

 

[KPM]

If video was the primary or only source, or the bulk of the instruction, then I honestly suspect people are not nearly so skilled or knowledgeable as they may think they are. That's the thing with self-instruction: you really have no idea how good you are or are not. It's very easy to be lost in the fog and not even know it.

And, once again, I will point out that no one on this thread has proposed video instruction as the SOLE way of learning.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Question: has anyone in this thread proposed using video instruction as the "Primary" way of learning?

Because I have been following this thread and it seems every time someone say 'sole source' or 'primary source', as Flying Crane just did, 'sole source' is addressed, but 'primary source' seems to be completely ignored.

 

[Tames D]

I would never suggest to anyone that they can't accomplish something just because I am unable to.

 

[Tames D]

“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.”

― Henry Ford

 

[Dirty Dog]

“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.”

― Henry Ford

It's a great philosophy, but the first half, at least, isn't really true.
I mean, if you think you can ski through a revolving door while dribbling a football, I'd like to watch. It would be entertaining.
I agree, though, that as soon as you say "I can't", you're right. In part because you've just given yourself an excuse not to even try.

 

[Tames D]

It's a great philosophy, but the first half, at least, isn't really true.
I mean, if you think you can ski through a revolving door while dribbling a football, I'd like to watch. It would be entertaining.
I agree, though, that as soon as you say "I can't", you're right. In part because you've just given yourself an excuse not to even try.

Oh ye of little faith.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Oh ye of little faith.

Just remember... I want to watch. The attempt would be quite YouTube worthy...

And just to clarify, I'm talking about a regular, normal, revolving door, and an American football.

 

[anerlich]

Question: has anyone in this thread proposed using video instruction as the "Primary" way of learning?

Because I have been following this thread and it seems every time someone say 'sole source' or 'primary source', as Flying Crane just did, 'sole source' is addressed, but 'primary source' seems to be completely ignored.

I don't think so. Most people advocating video learning would view it as supplementary. I did.

Is there anyone following this discussion who has used video as their Primary way of learning?

 

[anerlich]

Yeah I know, everyone wants to believe that they are that rare exception who could really do it.

Who is "everyone"? Just about everyone responding learned face to face from teachers. Some supplemented that with video.

There is no definitive answer to this, it is a matter of opinion. No one is going to change their opinion so IMO continuing the sniping is pointless. But don't let my opinion on that stop anyone carping on if you have nothing more important to be going on with.

 

[anerlich]

It's a great philosophy, but the first half, at least, isn't really true.
I mean, if you think you can ski through a revolving door while dribbling a football, I'd like to watch. It would be entertaining.
I agree, though, that as soon as you say "I can't", you're right. In part because you've just given yourself an excuse not to even try.

Is there a Youtube instructional I can watch?

 

[Hyoho]

I don't know anything about Louis Delgado, never even heard the name before.

However, lots of people are really good fighters, without any kind of instruction or formal training. Just because they looked at a book or a video, doesn't mean they are learning or training martial arts. Some people are just fighting, and they are naturally athletic enough to do it. If that is all they want, well fine. But they have no claim to training X, Y, or Z martial art, they haven't learned it with any real understanding.

More to the point some people are just born fighters. From a professional point of view they are the kind you pick to join your school/dojo and win championships. Some people can spend their life doing MA and only a little rubs off. Either way it needs to be done face to face with maybe looking at a 'professional' video for pointers in between practice.

 

[Buka]

I don't know anything about Louis Delgado, never even heard the name before.

However, lots of people are really good fighters, without any kind of instruction or formal training. Just because they looked at a book or a video, doesn't mean they are learning or training martial arts. Some people are just fighting, and they are naturally athletic enough to do it. If that is all they want, well fine. But they have no claim to training X, Y, or Z martial art, they haven't learned it with any real understanding.

Delgado was of that tournament group of Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, Joe Hayes, Skipper Mullins, Fred Hamilton, Benny the Jet, Thomas LaPuppet etc. They all used to hook up in New York City. Hard core guys who fought a lot and trained together on occasion. Most of them weren't consider politically correct to the established Karate world. (or maybe more accurately, the "establishing" Karate world.)

I didn't meet Delgado until the early eighties, trained with him while with one of my instructors. Can't remember a Karate man I liked less. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to remember anyone from any walk of life I liked less. Just a mean spirited A-H. But he was one hell of a Martial Artist and knew as much about Martial Arts as anyone I had been exposed to t that time. I've spoken about him to some of the people I've trained under, people who fought and trained with him. They agree, he was different, and learned differently than the rest of us.

I know that doesn't make much sense, doesn't make much sense to me, either, but it's the way it was. To tell the truth, I don't miss the prick one bit.

 

[Flying Crane]

And, once again, I will point out that no one on this thread has proposed video instruction as the SOLE way of learning.

I believe I've already pointed out to you where you, in the opening post, make the suggestion. To be fair, you suggest many things there, including video as supplemental instruction. But also to be fair, you suggest video as the source, and you suggest video as a way to get going before finding an instructor.

Be honest.

My post, number 93 in this thread is where I pointed out your relevant comments. I suggest you review that one.

 

[Flying Crane]

I believe I've already pointed out to you where you, in the opening post, make the suggestion. To be fair, you suggest many things there, including video as supplemental instruction. But also to be fair, you suggest video as the source, and you suggest video as a way to get going before finding an instructor.

Be honest.

erased

 

[Tez3]

if the 'you' in can you learn from videos is personal the answer is no, I can't. I don't have that sort of brain, I have trouble watching an instructor, I need to actually do the technique/move/whatever to learn it. I also need a few goes at doing it to get it into my head. I can't explain moves on here either, I need to show you, preferably using the move on you.