Steve
Mostly Harmless
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Are competitive Sport Martial Artists superior?
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caped crusader
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Hanzou
Grandmaster
Okay, what would be the point of a "comprehensive program" that revolves around techniques that can hurt, maim, or kill another person? Yeah, I get in excellent shape rolling in BJJ. That improved stamina allows me to grapple longer, which in turn allows me more time to perform a lock or a strangle on my opponent. What's more, my improved stamina would help me survive in an actual self defense situation.
Really people, this isn't that hard. I mean what do you think the term Martial Art means?
Steve
Mostly Harmless
Sure, that's one possible source of trauma.
dvcochran
Grandmaster
I fully agree and have stated such many times.
My question is why and what are you trying to separate? What do you want to leave out? It all works together. It is all part of a good, comprehensive program. It is all Martial Arts.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
just my opinion but i think maybe he means more modern systems that are trained in Gyms and Fight clubs such as MMA style training.
They are only concerned with fighting skills and winning a fight. No philosophy about this master and that master.
Arm bar, choke..punch his face in..win ...simple as that so yeah i understand his point.
Listen when i was boxing as a young lad i only cared about the above. winning.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
without starting a new thread i will just say too... how much respect should you show a Master or so called Grand Master?
I have never been into this *** kissing you see in some Dojos.
Master has always right and knows everything. A lot of Japanese now train in MMA type training. I think all this mystic Master BS is dying out. ItĀ“s about what you can really do.
Also physical fitness is just as important as skill. magical dreaming from the dark ages wonĀ“t cut it now. Look at Bruce Lee he was all about staminia and a high degree of fitness.
I have never been into this *** kissing you see in some Dojos.
Master has always right and knows everything. A lot of Japanese now train in MMA type training. I think all this mystic Master BS is dying out. ItĀ“s about what you can really do.
Also physical fitness is just as important as skill. magical dreaming from the dark ages wonĀ“t cut it now. Look at Bruce Lee he was all about staminia and a high degree of fitness.
YES!!!
All the "secret" skill and moves don't mean a thing if you don't have the power and the conditioning. Strength is just as important as skill and techniques. I've seen a famous master in TKD, his technique is very good for sure, but he is not strong from looking at him in the gym doing weights. If he has to fight with a strong guy that has not done any training, I won't bet on he can win. If he cannot drop the guy on the first kick or punch, he might be in for a big surprised. If the guy gets hold of him after withstanding the first strike, he might be wrestled down, distant will be too close for any effective strike and there is no way he can out muscle the strong guy.
Fitness, strength and conditioning is every bit as important. That's the reason I do 50:50 in my exercise regiment. 1/2 the time on strength and half divide between kick boxing and stick fight. I am training at home, I am close to 69, part of the weight exercise are 20 pushup wearing 60lbs weight jackets with feet on the chair for 5 sets( less reps on the last two sets), bicep curls of 40lbs dumbbells, squat with 60lbs jackets and 40lbs dumbbell on each hand etc. as my weekly regiment. I treat my kick boxing and stick fight as aerobics, I hate running!!!
caped crusader
Brown Belt
Yup Bruce Lee was ahead of his time not only in his system but also diet & weight training.
He really loved reading about Bodybuilding,diet , training.
I mean you have to have a strong foundation & be able to fight without gassing out.
you are doing a great workout Alan.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
@ Alan do you know this guy? some radical ideas but might be useful as we get older. he is also of the opinion humans never needed overhead presses, which of course have blown out a few shoulders in pros like Frank zane. I now just do side,rear laterals with Dumbbells. Rear delts trained also with band face pulls. Some things he says i agree with some things not so much but always good to look at the big picture. He was actually trained by Bill pearl(in the beginning) who i spoke to in 2005, 3 times on the phone. Great guy. Ex US Navy man.
Did Bruce Lee whooped those so called "masters" butt!!! I was in Hong Kong ( where I was from) till Bruce died, we had a lot of news about Bruce Lee. The MA society HATED him.Yup Bruce Lee was ahead of his time not only in his system but also diet & weight training.
He really loved reading about Bodybuilding,diet , training.
I mean you have to have a strong foundation & be able to fight without gassing out.
you are doing a great workout Alan.
Funny they all quiet as mouse when Lee was alive, but after he died, they all came out and said they can beat him!!!
caped crusader
Brown Belt
side note: i mention Bill Pearl as he was a very good wrestler. A Grappler.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
OK Legends are built sometimes bigger than they were but there is no doubt about his ideas being very advanced for that time. I always liked his idea of taking what is useful to you. nothing carved in stone. Train your body & mind. be fit. was no fool but also a clever man in that he made his films and promoted himself.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
It still might be relevant. Competition martial artists might still be superior in developing this non fighting skill.
So this
"I believe a lot of what's in Aikido was really not intended for direct use. It teaches control and movement that can be applied to almost any technique (which works best, IMO, with a base of some functional techniques under it). Problem is I don't think that's how a lot of practitioners - even instructors - see it."
Might be developed better through competition.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
there is Tomiki Aikido which is in my opinion not a bad thing.
look at the very short, sharp sabaki.
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I guarantee you, with one hundred percent certainty, she was not told that by Billy.Billy Blanks... my wife did this when it was popular in the Gym. She kept insisting it was a real martial arts... bless her
caped crusader
Brown Belt
It was a Hot iron, womans training group sort of guy who i know from the fitness circuit... a BI man. met him once where i worked..was enough.
Ironically his courses were full of women.
I don't know what a "BI man" means.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
thatĀ“s good.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
For the Aikido Buffs... Tomiki i believe was a modern thinker like Kano. Notice the throws after the 14 min mark.
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