Anti-semitism on the Right

[SMP]

I would like to point out that many right wingers are also called christian conservatives since The big JC was Jewish it would seem very foolish to be anti-Jew.

 

[Mark Weiser]

Well the question to ask in order to understand this topic.

What is Anti Semitism and where did it come from?

The answer according to Orthodox Judaism and other Sects both Religious and Secualr Jewish Sources point to one source. That source is the New Testament and its understanding by some of the Followers of the New Testament.

This understanding gives fuel to ideas which in turn are used to make laws, religions, governments, and other insitutions.

 

[Rich Parsons]

1. The greatest Klan states were Indiana and Connecticut...I'm afraid to find out if they still are.
. . .
Oh, well.

About 20 miles from my house growing up lived the Grand Wizard of the Klan. I was escorted/followed out of the local town he lived in/near by three different police officers in their own vehicles. And people say I have to be afraid of those people over seas. I am more afraid of those that live with in a 20 mile radius of my house, and I live in a really nice nighborhood, that I choose for its' diversity.

 

[heretic888]

The big JC was Jewish it would seem very foolish to be anti-Jew.

Myths have ethnicities?? Huh, who'da thunk it? :uhyeah:

.... heh, sorry I couldn't resist. :supcool:

Regarding the "anti-semitism" of the Right, don't know if that makes an entirely lot of sense. Last time I checked, a lot of the Right right now (heh, funny) seem to really like Israel.

Of course, that's just my take. :asian:

 

[Feisty Mouse]

Well the question to ask in order to understand this topic.

What is Anti Semitism and where did it come from?

The answer according to Orthodox Judaism and other Sects both Religious and Secualr Jewish Sources point to one source. That source is the New Testament and its understanding by some of the Followers of the New Testament.

This understanding gives fuel to ideas which in turn are used to make laws, religions, governments, and other insitutions.

True, some have used the New Testament to go after Jews - but anti-Semitism existed even before that (i.e. different persecutions).

It's a sad, silly, crazy, dangerous thing.

 

[heretic888]

Anti-semitism --- as in racism --- as in persecution, distrust, and overall rejection of "the Other" (whomover that may be seen to be) --- predates Homo sapiens completely. We see it in contemporary primates, and in a few other animal species as well (certain canines suddenly come to mind).

*shrugs* What can I say?? Biological impulses and instincts ain't always pretty. That is why that little ol' thing called education is so important...

 

[Rich Parsons]

Anti-semitism --- as in racism --- as in persecution, distrust, and overall rejection of "the Other" (whomover that may be seen to be) --- predates Homo sapiens completely. We see it in contemporary primates, and in a few other animal species as well (certain canines suddenly come to mind).

*shrugs* What can I say?? Biological impulses and instincts ain't always pretty. That is why that little ol' thing called education is so important...

Heretic,

If you are saying that those that hate or discriminate in this manner have no more thought process than a dog or a lower primate, I might agree.

If you are saying that since it happens elsewhere, and is biological, it is ok for humans to express this as well. I would disagree.

Confused :idunno:

 

[heretic888]

Heretic,

If you are saying that those that hate or discriminate in this manner have no more thought process than a dog or a lower primate, I might agree.

If you are saying that since it happens elsewhere, and is biological, it is ok for humans to express this as well. I would disagree.

Confused

The point I was trying to make, Rich, was that a hatred of "the Other" is based on rather primitive biological instincts --- in all likelihood, arising as a survival mechanism. After all, your pack has a better chance of surviving in any particular niche if you make sure nobody else is around to mooch on "your" resources. Or, if they do, that they do so in a much lessened capacity.

My position, as I pointed to with the importance of education, is that human beings have evolved beyond that. It is frankly demeaning to our potential as humans to continue to perpetuate such hatred of "the Other" --- just as much as it would be to continue to perpetuate primitive sexual division of labor.

At one point in our species' (and its predecessors') development, these kind of attitudes and impulses may have been appropriate and necessary. They aren't anymore. We're better than that.

 

[rmcrobertson]

I guess I just pretty much think, Twisty, that if one looks down on Palestinians in particular and, "Arabs," in general, that pretty much qualifies one as a racist.

Are you arguing that nobody in the American right thinks this way? That nobody on the Israeli left does?

Hm, really?

 

[TwistofFat]

I guess I just pretty much think, Twisty, that if one looks down on Palestinians in particular and, "Arabs," in general, that pretty much qualifies one as a racist.

Are you arguing that nobody in the American right thinks this way? That nobody on the Israeli left does?

Hm, really?

Robert - some on the right and left are filled with hatred - you bet. The not so subtle difference is "some". Your wholesale condemnation of the "American Right" and Israeli left sours the tone of your argument. The American right can be defined but many different groups (Log Cabin, Forbes flat tax, less government spending and financial transparency wackos) that few would call hate groups.
I actually know folks who won't date someone based upon who they would vote for - actually hate other americans for their political beliefs. Amazing but true. Not all, just some.

 

[Tgace]

I actually know folks who won't date someone based upon who they would vote for - actually hate other americans for their political beliefs. Amazing but true. Not all, just some.

No! Say it isnt so...

 

[TwistofFat]

I read it in People Magazine.

 

[loki09789]

No! Say it isnt so...

Politics and Religion: WHere the rubber meets the road they are the same thing because the daily, customery/cultural life is regulated and structured around it. So, if here in S.Buffalo, Irish Catholics were warned to cross the street to avoid contact with non Catholics or even Italians (who might also be Catholic) that is no different than staying within 'your kind' politically as well.

There is a reason that people avoid politics and religion when your in mixed company...

 

[Tgace]

Politics and Religion: WHere the rubber meets the road they are the same thing because the daily, customery/cultural life is regulated and structured around it. So, if here in S.Buffalo, Irish Catholics were warned to cross the street to avoid contact with non Catholics or even Italians (who might also be Catholic) that is no different than staying within 'your kind' politically as well.

There is a reason that people avoid politics and religion when your in mixed company...

Shhhh!!! Youre giving away my "motives".....

 

[heretic888]

*sniffs the air* Ah... ethnocentrism, xenophobia, jingoism, and sociocentrism at their best. Delightful.

I refer everyone back to the "demeaning to our potential as human beings" comments I made earlier in regards to the propagation of such garbage.

*shrugs* Laterz.

 

[Ronald R. Harbers]

Would sociocentrism mean that you think that your level in society is the superior one?

 

[heretic888]

Would sociocentrism mean that you think that your level in society is the superior one?

Perhaps when applied to "class warfare".

Generally, its more meant in the broad sense as referring to the view that one's society or culture is superior to all others. Very similar to ethnocentrism.

 

[Ronald R. Harbers]

Thank you for that. I had never heard that word before.

 

[kenpo tiger]

for example, jews that are against the current situation in israel-(the unfair, horrible, and degrading treatment of palestineans) are viewed as anti-semitic. jews that want to move on and not base their entire state of jewishness on the holocaust are viewed as anti-semitic. it's v. complicated. being jewish is both an ethnicity and a religious identity.

No, I don't think so.

First of all, it isn't most Israelis who degrade and treat the Palestinians poorly -- if they do at all. Look to the extremist groups and dictators (I include Arafat in that group - my opinion and I'm entitled to it) who purposely keep the impoverished and weak under their thumbs to be used as cannon fodder in the war on terror. Same way that most people aren't anti-semites.

Second of all, the establishment of a Jewish state was of great importance right after the Holocaust in order to provide a safe haven for those who were persecuted. (All the Biblical implications aside, please.)

Third of all, there are plenty of Palestinians who live peacefully side by side with the Israelis and have for decades, if not centuries. (I lived there -- I know some of them and have seen this. That's how.) If all could be counted upon to be like that, I'd be willing to bet there would be a Palestinian state sooner rather than later.

The people of Israel must live -- and the rest of us, too.

 

[Rich Parsons]

The point I was trying to make, Rich, was that a hatred of "the Other" is based on rather primitive biological instincts --- in all likelihood, arising as a survival mechanism. After all, your pack has a better chance of surviving in any particular niche if you make sure nobody else is
around to mooch on "your" resources. Or, if they do, that they do so in a much lessened capacity.

My position, as I pointed to with the importance of education, is that human beings have evolved beyond that. It is frankly demeaning to our potential as humans to continue to perpetuate such hatred of "the Other" --- just as much as it would be to continue to perpetuate primitive sexual division of labor.

At one point in our species' (and its predecessors') development, these kind of attitudes and impulses may have been appropriate and necessary. They aren't anymore. We're better than that.

Heretic,

Even though you and I may Burn, it seems I agree with much you have said here. I thank you for the clarification.

Education is paramount, and is one of the major differences, in my opinion.

Thank you