Anti-grappling.

[drop bear]

Yes, but how do you know it will work? Has he ever used that in a real fight situation?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i3CC9F0EcNw

 

[drop bear]

Gotcha.

So in this situation, the attacker is down and has no control over you and does not have his legs around you. Why would you choose to stay down and enter his guard? Get up, soccer kick his groin if you have a clear shot, and disengage! You've said yourself that you don't want to be rolling around on the ground.

I think the other guy is re garding as he is being taken down. The leg control should fix that. I don't know if you have done a rbsd system. But they tend to be anti following a guy on to the deck. But due to the fact you are kind of on the deck anyway all you are going to do here is create a bit of space. And give the guy thrown more of a chance to turn things around.

Or this.

Why!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8jfMdZ68mc

 

[RTKDCMB]

Agree!

I just tested this on my wife (she has good ground skill) on the floor 10 seconds ago. If she (on top of me) uses her

- left hand to pin both of my arms, I can use my right leg to press on her left elbow joint. I can then move my right leg over her left shoulder, and press on her neck.
- right hand to pin both of my arms, I can use my left leg to press on her right elbow joint. I can then move my left leg over her right shoulder, and press on her neck.

I'm sure others may have better solution than mine.

Foreplay?

 

[RTKDCMB]

I assume that sport BJJ hobbyist will not try to stand on his feet and spars against that boxer for 15 rounds.

There is a big difference between "anti-grappling" and "anti-striking". One works in clinch range while the other works in striking range.

What is the striking range? I can strike form any range; from a flying side kick to a head butt.

If you put the best wrestler and the best boxer in the ring, ask them to have 10 rounds match, who will win more rounds? The wrestler or the boxer?

An oversimplification. Depends upon the relative experience and skill.

So there is a big difference between "anti-grappling" and "anti-striking". You have to learn grappling to be good in "anti-grappling". You don't have to learn boxing to be good in "anti-striking".

To be able to deal with striking you need to have good defense period.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Ok makes sense, thanks. Bad video aside, I assume by not having your back flat on the floor you are pushing your hips up and arching your back to make the gap between them and your face too far for them to reach?

Who says it has to be a punch and who says it has to be the face?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i3CC9F0EcNw

To kick the back of someone's head while he is on the ground is very deadly. A friend of mine his son was killed this way. There were too much blood in his son's skull. Even the doctor could not do anything.

Who says it has to be a punch and who says it has to be the face?

Many years ago, someone dropped his elbow straight down on top of my heart area while I was down. I got back up, suddenly everything in front of my eyes turned into darkness, I fell back down again. I was almost killed that day.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Where's the anti-grappling against side control;

Middle knuckle to the temple, bear hand (Not bare as in empty, bear as in grr, I'm a bear) to the neck, just for starters.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

What is the striking range? I can strike form any range; from a flying side kick to a head butt.

To be able to deal with striking you need to have good defense period.

Yes! To be able to deal with striking you need to have good defense (to protect your head well), but you don't need to be good in "offense".

As soon as you can tangle your opponent's arms, it will be hard to strike after that. The head butt is always a 2 ways street.

 

[drop bear]

Middle knuckle to the temple, bear hand (Not bare as in empty, bear as in grr, I'm a bear) to the neck, just for starters.

At which point they either collapse or get off you?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Foreplay?

When you have reached to my age, even foreplay won't be able to help much. :waah:

 

[K-man]

Gotcha.

So in this situation, the attacker is down and has no control over you and does not have his legs around you. Why would you choose to stay down and enter his guard? Get up, soccer kick his groin if you have a clear shot, and disengage! You've said yourself that you don't want to be rolling around on the ground.

That's pretty much the deal unless you want to restrain him. I don't want to get into his guard but often you find yourself there.
:asian:

 

[K-man]

This is why you (general YOU) need to include this as part of your training. When you throw your opponent down,

- where his body will land,
- which direction his head will face to,
- how far is between his head and your feet,
- ...

should all be part of your training. Nothing will work without training time involved.

Yes but according to Hanzou if you have never kicked someone in the neck hard enough to break it you don't know it will work in real life. You and I know it will work. Hanzou isn't so sure.

 

[RTKDCMB]

At which point they either collapse or get off you?

Have you ever been hit in the temple or in the neck with a middle knuckle, even softly? Not fun. The middle meningeal artery (MMA) runs along the temple>

Middle Meningeal Artery Anatomy, Function & Diagram | Body Maps

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Yes but according to Hanzou if you have never kicked someone in the neck hard enough to break it you don't know it will work in real life. You and I know it will work. Hanzou isn't so sure.

You can always kick on your dummy's head as hard as you can after you have thrown it on the ground. That kick is not shown in this clip because it won't be needed.

 

[Hanzou]

Middle knuckle to the temple, bear hand (Not bare as in empty, bear as in grr, I'm a bear) to the neck, just for starters.

Yeah, that's about the worst thing you could possibly attempt. :lfao:

 

[Paul_D]

Why is a bear grip around someone's throat/neck is the worst thing you can do? I am sure there are worse things. I have studied throat/neck grabs, applied them and had them applied to me, they would appear to be most effective.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Why is a bear grip around someone's throat/neck is the worst thing you can do? I am sure there are worse things. I have studied throat/neck grabs, applied them and had them applied to me, they would appear to be most effective.

Its not a bear grip it is a strike with the smaller knuckles of the first and second fingers.

 

[drop bear]

Have you ever been hit in the temple or in the neck with a middle knuckle, even softly? Not fun. The middle meningeal artery (MMA) runs along the temple>

Middle Meningeal Artery Anatomy, Function & Diagram | Body Maps

Yes I have.

 

[Paul_D]

Sorry I read it as suggesting a knuckle strike to the temple, and a separate technique of gripping the throat/neck.

 

[Paul_D]

Rener Gracie thoughts on the difference between sport and street, and why striking can make a difference.

The Principles of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu with Rener Gracie - YouTube