Felons are not stupid they know they will eventually be caught and executed for their crimes. Its part of the reason they are committing them.Akashiro Tamaya said:
Sean
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sgtmac_46
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Now, you're being a bit judgemental toward prisoners who sodomize other prisoners. Perhaps we should understand them more.Touch Of Death said:
I find it ironic and amusing when I hear someone defend criminals, by attacking the criminal behavior of their fellows. Of course there's crime and violence in prisons.....It's full of criminals. That's more proof they shouldn't be on the streets.
sgtmac_46
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Please....criminals commit crime because, at least in western society, it's low-cost. The odd's of being caught for a particular crime are low. The odd's of being convicted if you get caught committing a particular crime are low. The odd's of actually being severly punished for a crime are law. The average felon commits multiple offenses for every crime he manages to get caught doing. He commits many more before being convicted. If he does manage to go to prison for any given offense, it's but a small part of the overall crimes he's committed.Touch Of Death said:
They do not 'commit' crimes because of punishment, that's asinine, they commit crimes because of the lack of belief that they will be punished.
I'm amazed that, in order to justify criminal behavior and excuse criminals themselves, some people invent entire realities that don't exist. I'm more interested in understanding the mentality of criminal excusers than in understanding criminals themselves (as criminals aren't that hard to understand anyway). It's criminal excusers that really mystify me. Perhaps they just live in a different reality than the rest of us. Perhaps there exist ivory towers, wherein they are unable to see reality, and are merely force-fed fantasies by others. Maybe someone could enlighten me.
sgtmac_46
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Quite a few. Also, considering murder isn't the only victimizing crime, it is an absolute certainty that virtually EVERY prisoner released went on to victimize society over and over again. I live in a community of many thousands of people. However, when a crime is committed, I can count on two hands the number of likely people who committed it. They represent a very small segment of society, and virtually ALL of the crime. They commit hundreds of criminal acts a year, before ever being sent to prison, and then they're only sent for 6 months to a 1 year maximum, and are then released on Parole to commit more crimes.Martial Tucker said:
The criminal excusers are either blind to basic reality, or they themselves identify in some way with criminal behavior and are, as such, more empathetic toward the plight of 'criminals' than society itself. Perhaps criminal excusing mentalities are simply a by-product of counter-cultural thinking. Either way, it is fundamentally maladaptive. It's like empathizing with a tumor, and defending it's rights over the main body.
Just for your info I'm not defending criminals but attacking your point of view.sgtmac_46 said:Now, you're being a bit judgemental toward prisoners who sodomize other prisoners. Perhaps we should understand them more.
I find it ironic and amusing when I hear someone defend criminals, by attacking the criminal behavior of their fellows. Of course there's crime and violence in prisons.....It's full of criminals. That's more proof they shouldn't be on the streets.
Sean
I didn't say all felons are scuicidal. I said the death penalty is a popular method of scuicide.arnisador said:
Sean
Disagreeing with you is defending criminals? That's logic for ya! I question your judgment of poor and fair now of course.sgtmac_46 said:In order to attack my point of view (which attacks criminals), you have to defend criminals....so there's really no difference.
At any rate, you've done a very poor job of doing either.
Sean
Disagreeing with you is defending criminals? That's logic for ya! I question your judgment of poor and fair now of course.sgtmac_46 said:In order to attack my point of view (which attacks criminals), you have to defend criminals....so there's really no difference.
At any rate, you've done a very poor job of doing either.
Sean
Disagreeing with you is defending criminals? That's logic for ya! I question your judgment of poor and fair now of course.sgtmac_46 said:In order to attack my point of view (which attacks criminals), you have to defend criminals....so there's really no difference.
At any rate, you've done a very poor job of doing either.
Sean
sgtmac_46 said:
The way to understand those who defend criminals is to realize that most of these defenders have never had a gun in their face or a knife at their throats. Since I've had both, I do not defend violent criminals in any way - I wan't them removed from society. However, I don't think Touch-of-Death really is defending them, just that he is mistaken in believing that while some inmates, such as Gary Gilmore, for example, wish the death penalty that this is the case for more offenders than a very small minority. I disagree with him here, but don't really see him as a defender of criminals.
Back in the day it was more efficiant. However you bring up an interesting point. Most heavy gamblers are chain smokers. Since its so slow to kill ya scuicidal people generaly are a bit more dramatic.arnisador said:
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sgtmac_46
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Claiming that they are committing crime because of the death penalty, and equating it with suicide, is a backhanded (and quite bizarre) attempt to declare it mental illness.Jonathan Randall said:
Criminals do not wish to get caught, and Gilmore only wanted to be executed.....because he really didn't have a choice. The mindset at that point is to assert some control over the process by declaring yourself ready, and picking the method of execution.
At any rate, it's hard to tell what Touch is advocating, as his logic is a bit erratic, starting with the idea that 'crime is suicide'. Perhaps he could clarify that point.
If that is what it takes. Again I think the criminal justice system is flawed. Criminals are still bad guys.sgtmac_46 said:I think your button is stuck....unless that was meant as a stuttering diatribe.
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sgtmac_46
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Takes to accomplish what?Touch Of Death said:
Also, our system is flawed....but it's primarily because it's not a 'criminal justice system'. We have a 'legal system'. There is a difference. One involves justice and the truth, the other involves attorneys and court room maneuvering. As long as we have a system dominated by attorneys, it will rarely be just, and it will hardly ever be about truth.
Of course what ANY of that has to do with 'crime is suicide' I really don't know. Perhaps you could elaborate.
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