Women's aversion to Wing Chun?

[Si-Je]

Steven Segal is doing WT/WC now in all his new movies. What up with that? I don't think people noticed or something. Or they don't WANT to notice.

i know WC/WT has to have more exposure, I just don't want it to get too commercialised and watered down before people come to realize it's a good art to take.

 

[Yoshiyahu]

Unfortunately Cage rules rule right now. Women watch MMA, UFC and Cage fights just like men. They see all the great MMA guys and kickboxers knocking people out an submitting them. So for women they like I wanna learn that.

I got an idea. Why not make a low budget movie. About wing chun. Like a up to date movie but taking some of historical stuff from past sifu's Like fights they had. An make it so the wing chun hero always wins. even against karate,mma,other gung fu styles etc. This would be pretty good. An maybe if someone like a big wig sees it he will steal the idea an put it on big screen for mass media. Alot times when you do low budget stuff. An someone with alot of money gets wind of it. They still an mass produce it. I remember I had a Hat embrodeir with my own personal logo in high school. Years later someone came out with clothing line with my same logo. Exactly the same thing. But they patent and trademarked my idea.

ha ha...just small opinion of mines.

As for marketing,
Being a good old american slave to hype, media, and commercialism, we've got a plan to hit that one too.
People want "proof", have no "faith" or insight to make the descision themselves, fine.
He's got some MMA guys at work with him that they debate all the time the effectiveness of WC/WT against MMA or a street confrontation. He invites them to come to class and try it out for free and all. But, no.... they want a video first!
How we gonna get that if all the big guys we come across won't "pose for the camera", much less come to play with hubbie?
Women seem to have the exact same mentality.
Someone has told them they have to fight like a man to beat a man. So they buy into the, you have to test it in the cage, get some videos, whatever, proof first.

Last night hubbie was training for cage match with a personal weight trainer. There is this group of women I've been trying to talk into trying the class that work out there (it's at the rec. center, our class is right next door!)
Not a peep from them, they just shake their head and walk off. But they watch me and hubbie train through the window every time! What's the deal? The door's open, walk in! ack!
Oh, when they hear hubbie and trainer talking about preparing for a cage fight, NOW they're dying to talk to me about learning!!!!
What the..... ***** is that? I'm NOT competing!
But, it's the way to market now, as much as it irritates me to no end. I don't want to teach women WC/WT under cage rules! I want to teach them the GOOOOD stuff!

 

[Yoshiyahu]

What movies does steven segal do wing chun?

Steven Segal is doing WT/WC now in all his new movies. What up with that? I don't think people noticed or something. Or they don't WANT to notice.

i know WC/WT has to have more exposure, I just don't want it to get too commercialised and watered down before people come to realize it's a good art to take.

 

[Blindside]

What movies does steven segal do wing chun?

And why would anyone want Steven Seagal to the promoter of your art?

Yikes.

 

[Si-Je]

And why would anyone want Steven Seagal to the promoter of your art?
Yikes.

Hey, I like him. I didn't when he first came to the screen because of the characters he played were blech.
But he's a pretty funny guy (I think he should do a comedy like "kindergarden cop" that would be great!)

I saw a little documentary on Segal on cable one day, and he's a really cool dude. And has a great sense of humor! He's not as greusome in person as some of the character's he plays on film. (although, I'm really, reeeeaaalllyyy sick of the C.I.A. characters and plot). Anyways, a guy that can kick it with the blues like that can't be all bad, man.

And, he's a good promoter of the art, because he's totally awesome at it! Fast, loves that heel kick, rockin' chi sau, and knows the culture (he's a ravenous reader, or so the documentary said). I only wish he'd get his camra men to back up more when he's doing hands, they get too close and zoom in only on the hands and arms. Can't see! To fast!

 

[Si-Je]

What movies does steven segal do wing chun?

Oh, god! I get his movie titles mixed up. They're all like, death, dead, half-past dead, walking dead man, dieing to get killed, urban dead and dying, liscence to die, etc.etc.. lol! let me check the DVR.....

Belly of the Beast (he's got to stop that "the matrix" high kicking stuff. ) looks like Tai Chi/kung fu mainly looks like push hands.

Fire down below (I think that's the title) with the country town being polluted by the big bad rich guy that owns the factory in town. With Chris Christofferson as the bad guy.

In the movie with Tom Arnold and DMX when Steven Segal's in Anger management classes after saving the vice president. (the anger management scene is sooo funny!)

Urban Justice he does WT.

The one where he's an archelogist and goes to China following clues to the bad guys tatoos that spells out where the head bad guy is and his orginazation like a chinese poem/fable thing. He does alot of WT in that one, can't remember the name of it.

But, he also still does alot of Aikido in his new movies too, good mixture the two. Aikido and WT.

 

[Yoshiyahu]

No,This guy was no stranger. I knew of him since I was like nine or ten. His younger brother was one of class mates. He was older than me an had been taking Martial Arts for almost as long as I been alive. I wanted to learn from him. He knew me well. I hung out him an his brother a couple of times. I been to their house etc etc. He been to my house. I don't know maybe it was pride. Or maybe he thought I was more skilled than I was. I think at the time I was only six months in. He would hit and kick me so easily I couldn't understand it. Its was like people with less skill couldn't touch me. But this guy Hit me where he wanted to when ever he wanted.

He said My Gung fu was good I just need to practice more. He like my style But my defense was no match for him at the time. I think Now I would be alot better suited. Atleast ready for sudden blast of speed to face or diaphram since these are the places he like to hit extermly fast.

Always beware of strangers that come into your school and say " I just want to do some light friendly chi sau "
I was young and naive and learnt the hard way , I got fooled once , but never again after that . BE READY FOR ANYTHING PEOPLE .

 

[Yoshiyahu]

Yea, his movies with DMX i don't remember seeing Wing Chun. It mostly look like Aikido to me. Since Aikido was one of my first Arts thats the reason i loved watching Steven Seagal movies when he first came out...


But Nicolas Cage movie Bangkok Dangerous is suppose to have Wing Chun has anyone seen it?


Also what about Jet Li movie "The One"

He is actually doing Xing Yi Quan and Baguazhang. But the Xing Yi looks very much similiar to wing chun. When you actually look at what he is doing when he does his front step with a punch.

Oh, god! I get his movie titles mixed up. They're all like, death, dead, half-past dead, walking dead man, dieing to get killed, urban dead and dying, liscence to die, etc.etc.. lol! let me check the DVR.....

Belly of the Beast (he's got to stop that "the matrix" high kicking stuff. ) looks like Tai Chi/kung fu mainly looks like push hands.

Fire down below (I think that's the title) with the country town being polluted by the big bad rich guy that owns the factory in town. With Chris Christofferson as the bad guy.

In the movie with Tom Arnold and DMX when Steven Segal's in Anger management classes after saving the vice president. (the anger management scene is sooo funny!)

Urban Justice he does WT.

The one where he's an archelogist and goes to China following clues to the bad guys tatoos that spells out where the head bad guy is and his orginazation like a chinese poem/fable thing. He does alot of WT in that one, can't remember the name of it.

But, he also still does alot of Aikido in his new movies too, good mixture the two. Aikido and WT.

 

[Si-Je]

Yea, his movies with DMX i don't remember seeing Wing Chun. It mostly look like Aikido to me.

But Nicolas Cage movie Bangkok Dangerous is suppose to have Wing Chun has anyone seen it?

It might be 50 Cent (get those two mixed up. I'm a rocker not into the rap thing.)
Haven't heard of the Nicolas Cage movie, will check it out.

What we need is a female MA that does WT/WC in movies, maybe that would help! lol!
(Michelle Youh? doesn't she do WC the movie, and other stuff too?) Just not American movies, so most people don't even know about them.

 

[Yoshiyahu]

I know what would work. Get a black woman or maybe some black r & b singer like Alicia Keys to study Wing Chun and have her doing it in the movies Like Wesley Snipes. Then women will flock to Wing Chun...

It might be 50 Cent (get those two mixed up. I'm a rocker not into the rap thing.)
Haven't heard of the Nicolas Cage movie, will check it out.

What we need is a female MA that does WT/WC in movies, maybe that would help! lol!
(Michelle Youh? doesn't she do WC the movie, and other stuff too?) Just not American movies, so most people don't even know about them.

 

[Yoshiyahu]

i seen both movies with DMX and JaRule...
It didn't appear he was using Wing Chun to me!

50 Cent hasn't done a movie with Steven Seagal.

The Movie with JaRule was in a prison.

The Movie with DMX was about him trying to sell his invention. Steven Seagal thought DMX was a drug dealer. But he was legit. It turns some guys who were feds or police were corrupt.

It might be 50 Cent (get those two mixed up. I'm a rocker not into the rap thing.)
Haven't heard of the Nicolas Cage movie, will check it out.

What we need is a female MA that does WT/WC in movies, maybe that would help! lol!
(Michelle Youh? doesn't she do WC the movie, and other stuff too?) Just not American movies, so most people don't even know about them.

 

[Si-Je]

oh yeah, I get them mixed up. Hubbie watches them all the time.
That one where he's an archeologist there's a scene where it looks like he's doing chi sau with this bad guy. At the end or middle. These are the times hubbie goes, "look WT/WC scene!" and I catch part of it. Usually can't watch the show, too busy making sure baby girl's not watching it. Too much killing.

 

[Si-Je]

Anyways, might as well kill this thread. I've beat this dead horse to death 3 times over! lol!

I guess to be into martial arts, means to be the only chick in the room if you want to learn the really cool stuff, styles off the beaten path.
Would figure women would try a different way than the big guys do.
But, WT/WC is so dominated by men, how could they tell the difference?
Makes me wonder what you'd have to go through to be a female sifu? Must be hell. I know a lady at the local martial arts shop, and she's a wing chun wiz. But she'll never admit it. Trained my other teacher long time ago, and she plays totally dumb when you try to ask her about wing chun, but she knows all the WC/WT sifu's and keeps track of the art. Undercover.
lol!
Superhero alter ego - martial arts shoppe keeper, by night wing chun supper killer! lol!

 

[Yoshiyahu]

Yea,Probably so. My Sifu also plays dumb now. He has being doing for a while now. To stay away from confrontation. Because alot of people always wanted to spar him. It was never ending. He beat one guy then his Sifu want to challenge him. He beat sifu then the Sifu's Sihing want to challenge. After he get defeated than the Sifu's Sifu challenge him. If he beat him then his big brother or other students. Now he plays dumb. He tells people he only practices Tai Chi and can not fight. Those who he has beaten before He acts like they can defeat him. If they say well he beat me in such and such a year. My Sifu says Not him.lol..He tries to advoid conflicts now that he is older. But his big brother use to love challenging people. But now he is in fifties so he slowed down alot.

But it still fun doing Free application Chi Sau with both of them after Tai Chi Class!

Anyways, might as well kill this thread. I've beat this dead horse to death 3 times over! lol!

I guess to be into martial arts, means to be the only chick in the room if you want to learn the really cool stuff, styles off the beaten path.
Would figure women would try a different way than the big guys do.
But, WT/WC is so dominated by men, how could they tell the difference?
Makes me wonder what you'd have to go through to be a female sifu? Must be hell. I know a lady at the local martial arts shop, and she's a wing chun wiz. But she'll never admit it. Trained my other teacher long time ago, and she plays totally dumb when you try to ask her about wing chun, but she knows all the WC/WT sifu's and keeps track of the art. Undercover.
lol!
Superhero alter ego - martial arts shoppe keeper, by night wing chun supper killer! lol!

 

[Yoshiyahu]

Find out the title to the movie?

I know go to some churches. Pass out flyers. Say you have woman's class that you want to start. Don't say Wing Chun...Say Kung Fu. People know Kung Fu. The styles of Kung Fu they don't know.

oh yeah, I get them mixed up. Hubbie watches them all the time.
That one where he's an archeologist there's a scene where it looks like he's doing chi sau with this bad guy. At the end or middle. These are the times hubbie goes, "look WT/WC scene!" and I catch part of it. Usually can't watch the show, too busy making sure baby girl's not watching it. Too much killing.

 

[mook jong man]

I know what you are saying about Steven Seagal I can't remember which movie it was but I remember in one of his fights it looked like he was doing what I know as four corner deflection .

But back to the task at hand , we need the supreme leader of all women in the western world to get behind Wing Chun , thats it folks , I'm talking Oprah Winfrey .

That woman has serious influence , and it might help to stabilise her weight as well so we dont see skinny Oprah , fat Oprah , skinny Oprah , fat Oprah , skinny Oprah , for Gods sake woman pick a size and stick with it .

 

[Yoshiyahu]

There you go Si-Je write Oprah Winfrey go on the show to talk about Wing Chun and exercise. Maybe she can endorse you. Thats actually a great idea.

I know what you are saying about Steven Seagal I can't remember which movie it was but I remember in one of his fights it looked like he was doing what I know as four corner deflection .

But back to the task at hand , we need the supreme leader of all women in the western world to get behind Wing Chun , thats it folks , I'm talking Oprah Winfrey .

That woman has serious influence , and it might help to stabilise her weight as well so we dont see skinny Oprah , fat Oprah , skinny Oprah , fat Oprah , skinny Oprah , for Gods sake woman pick a size and stick with it .

 

[Yoshiyahu]

Si-Je concerning Steven Seagal and his Martial Arts.



was allegedly at the age of seven that Seagal first began studying martial arts under the direction of renowned Shito-ryu karate master Fumio Demura and aikido under Rod Kobayashi, the President of the Western States Aikido Federation. He earned belts in aikido, karate, judo, and kendo and in his late teens, Seagal became part of Demura's Karate Demonstration Team and performed daily demonstrations in the former Japanese Village and Deer Park, in Southern California. In 1974, he was promoted by Kobayashi-sensei to shodan in Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido (a fact disputed by ex-wife Miyako Fujitani [below]).


Si-Je:

Movies With Steven Seagal and Rappers

Half Past Dead (Ja Rule)

Exit Wounds (DMX)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal

Si-Je Said:

oh yeah, I get them mixed up. Hubbie watches them all the time.That one where he's an archeologist there's a scene where it looks like he's doing chi sau with this bad guy. At the end or middle. These are the times hubbie goes, "look WT/WC scene!" and I catch part of it. Usually can't watch the show, too busy making sure baby girl's not watching it. Too much killing.

Yoshiyahu said:

Out for a Kill (2003) – Playing an archaeologist who avenges the death of his assistant by the Chinese Triads.

Steven Seagal Movies​

Above the Law. (Titled Nico in Europe) (1988) – Playing a Chicago cop Nico Toscani who discovers a web of corruption in the city's police department, directed by Andrew Davis.
Hard to Kill (1990) – Playing a cop out for vengeance, with assistance from a nurse (played by then-wife Kelly LeBrock).
Marked for Death (1990) – Playing a retired DEA agent who returns to his hometown, to find an evil drug lord in charge.
Out for Justice (1991) – Playing an NYPD cop in Brooklyn on the hunt for an old childhood rival who killed his best friend
Under Siege (1992) – Another Andrew Davis movie, about a cook on a Navy ship who prevents nuclear armageddon. This was his most successful movie.
On Deadly Ground (1994) – A movie in which he befriends an Alaskan Native Indian tribe and fights against an evil oil company. This is Seagal's directorial debut; he also produced. However, the movie underperformed at the box office and damaged his career.
Under Siege 2: Dark Territory (1995) – Seagal returns as Casey Ryback, this time out to foil a mad scientist who tries to hijack a satellite weapon hidden on-board a train.
Executive Decision (1996) – Playing Lieutenant Colonel Austin Travis, head of an elite military team that must stop a plane carrying a nerve-gas bomb.
The Glimmer Man (1996) – Playing a detective who (along with Keenan Ivory Wayans) must find a serial killer.
Fire Down Below (1997) – Playing a hard-hitting EPA agent investigating a mine in Kentucky.
The Patriot (1998) – Playing a small town doctor who foils an evil, virus-releasing militia.
Get Bruce (1999) – playing himself in a comedy.
Prince of Central Park (2000) – Credited as producer.
Exit Wounds (2001) – Playing a tough urban detective who tries to clean up his precinct with the help of a wealthy business man who in turn is trying to free his brother from jail.
Ticker (2001) – Playing the leader of a bomb squad.
Half Past Dead (2002) – Playing a Russian FBI agent, Sasha Petrosevitch, who goes to jail undercover.
The Foreigner (2003) – Political intrigue and scandal plague Seagal's character, Jonathan Cold, in this film.
Out for a Kill (2003) – Playing an archaeologist who avenges the death of his assistant by the Chinese Triads.
Belly of the Beast (2003) – Playing a retired agent who must go to Thailand with his old partner to save his kidnapped daughter and her friends.
Out of Reach (2004) – Seagal attempts to save a kidnapped girl.
Clementine (2004) – Guest stars in this Korean martial arts film.
Into the Sun (2005) – Playing a CIA operative in Tokyo who must take on the yakuza.
Submerged (2005) – Playing a mercenary who must fight terrorists.
Today You Die (2005) – Seagal plays a former thief who is trying to go straight and seeks vengeance on those who framed him
Black Dawn (2005) – Seagal returns as Jonathan Cold in this continuation of "Foreigner" franchise.
Mercenary for Justice (2006) – Playing a mercenary who is blackmailed into a mission to save his family, only to turn the tables on his blackmailers.
Shadow Man (2006) – Playing a former intelligence operative who must find his kidnapped daughter in Bucharest while also defeating various parties who believe he has a lethal virus.
Attack Force (2006) – Plays Marshall Lawson, the leader of a strike-team.
Flight of Fury (2007) – Playing John Sands, a former soldier who is sent to retrieve a stolen stealth bomber.
Urban Justice (2007) – Out for revenge after his son is shot dead by the local gang leader.
Pistol Whipped (2008) – Playing an ex-cop with both alcohol and gambling problems.
The Onion Movie (2008) – Guest stars in a spoof of himself by the makers of The Onion.
Kill Switch (2008) – Playing Detective Jacob King
Ruslan (2008) – Playing Ruslan, a mobster.

 

[Si-Je]

You two guys are my favorite dudes! I'm rolling!
Have you ever tried to contact Opra?!?!? LOL!

I'm nobody, have no be sensational ridiclouls story to tell... " Okay guys you have to meet this girl! She was born with burns on 75% of her body and as a simease twin! Now she's the nations top Yoga Guru and after X-treme plastic sergury is now a top model in France! Plus, she's a Kung Fu Siiiiii-Jeeeeeee!" (crowd goes wild and everyone gets a yatch!)
ROFL!

Oh segal movies; try--- (I KNOW i've seen WC in there!)
"today you die"
"exit wounds"
"Fire down below"
(the the way, "the forigner" is the WORST movie I've ever seen him do!) lol!
"out for a kill" !! that's the one with the Chinese mafia chi sau scene! man, had to google is movies. He's got like 52 of them! lol!
All the titles have : death, die, fire, kill, fury this and attack that. Get them really, really mixed up.
His next movie he should name it something totally different just to make it stand out., like: "sunshine in the park", or " a day at the beach", lol!
that would really throw people off.

 

[Si-Je]

I don't know what to do now! I didn't notice you googled all his video's and posted them before I responded back! lol! was doing the same thing, just not as systematic.
Okay, I give up. Maite!
lol!

Wow, just noticed I got promoted. Was wondering why you were calling me a brown belt. Thanks guys!
That's the highest rank I usually get in an art before....