Why Dos Everyone Mouth Off On Sport Martial Arts

[Damian Mavis]

No, my whole point was that Kenpo guys talk smack about TKD the most. Everybody else is smart/polite enough to not say much on this forum but Kenpo guys seem to have no respect for anything.

I've kicked the crap out of every kenpo/karate guy I've gone against, do I judge and assume all Kenpo is bad everywere or do I make the intellectual leap that maybe my opponents just plain sucked?

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

 

[Bod]

ace - In the 'old days' traditional martial arts were used for actual fighting.

Everybody else -

I've often been doing ground work and though, "hmm, I could squeeze his knackers or bite his neck".

This means one thing and one thing only. If you are training sport fighting for the street, you will have to limit the moves you use, and you will probably be losing at the sport.

My brother was sparring semi contact, in a 'street art', when his partner layed into him way too heavy. My brother hit a bit harder and broke his partners rib.

This means something too. Training in street effective arts is more dangerous, the harder you train. Rules might keep you safer, and keep you training more often. You are left with the difficult choice if pulling your punches or hurting your sparring partner.

This is one of the greatest difficulties in training, and takes great thought and effort to get around.

Finally -

So, sport fighters beat non-sport fighters in the ring. What a surprise!

And nobody knows who wins outside the ring. Not surprising either.

In the end it doesn't matter. We all choose our own path for the better or for the worse. But the more you p*ss off people by ranting about your own art, the less information you will have when it comes to making an informed decision about the way you train. So ask neutral questions, instead of making claims about how great you are. Only i your IQ allows you to, that is.

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by ace

If U want to beable to fight
U have to be well rounded ( Fact )

Funny .. the only fact brought up by MMA'ers
is something said by Royce Gracie. Just because
he said it, doesn't make it fact. I also find it
interesting how MMAers incessantly and obsessively
bring up their little "fact" about how 90 something
percent of fights go to the ground. So sayeth
Royce, so sayeth the flock! The funny thing is,
he ALSO said that going to the ground is death
if multiple attackers are involved ... yet why is it
that MMA'ers must constantly be reminded of this
"fact" ???? Is it that they can only remember one
factoid at a time????

Being well rounded doesn't only mean train in
numerous arts. It also means being smart, and
having the ability to learn, plot, plan, strategize.
Yet MMAers won't bring this up will they? If they
have so far in this forum, the spelling was so bad,
I wouldn't have been able to read it.

 

[fist of fury]

Originally posted by ace

is All events have rules.

If U want to beable to fight
U have to be well rounded ( Fact )

I have done some Stick fighting, Ju Jitsu , Submisson Grappling
Wrestling & MMA.

All are diferent all have rules.

Yes you have to be a well rounded fighter but you should have a good foundation with a base art. Someone with a good solid base art as a foundation who goes out later to improve his skill will be much more dangerous than someone who trains half @ssed in several arts.

 

[7starmantis]

Yes, I would think to become well rounded you would want to obsorb as much information from "elder" MAIst than yourself. That is not going to happen pissing them off saying their art is not valid. Acceptance is the key to becoming "well rounded" in my book.

7sm

 

[fist of fury]

They should modify the rings for these events:

Concrete floors

10 sec floor limit if your there more than that you get jumped by additonal attackers.

sprinkle the floor with gravel and broken glass

And make the ring smaller

 

[tarabos]

I think a better question is why do all these stupid, repetitive threads get so much attention?

Why does everyone mouth off on sport martial arts? the simple answer is:

THEY DON'T

and it should have been left at that instead of everyone going off and attacking each other on the internet of all places.

and to all the TKD people. you've got a right to get pissed every once and a while. people need to stop trying to make themselves seem big by bashing an art that they probably don't know all that much about. just mind your own business.

and Judo Kid/Judo_kid/Judo-Kid, whatever the hell you want to call yourself, grow up...before you get banned for about the fifth time now.

 

[Kenpo_student]

I am sure there is good tkd out there and I am sure there are tkd practiotioner that are better martial artists than myself. I give tkd a hard time because of the reasons I stated above and the fact that for every tkd guy like yourself that trains hard and takes his art seriously there is a Mcdojo on the corner giving a tkd black belt to a 5 year old. I have yet to meet a black belt in any other art besides tkd who hasn't earned it with blood and sweat( though I am sure they exist). So my argument doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that we kenpoist's have been programmed to despise tkd. It is my feeling that the Koreans have compromised the integrity of martial arts by putting belts up for sale. :soapbox:

Sorry if I offended you.:asian:

 

[Damian Mavis]

Tarabos, That's one fierce looking kitty!

Kenpostudent, basically I would just like to see it stop getting brought up by Kenpo guys, let the kungfu guys get their shots in too! Seriously though, I know all about the McDojo's and agree but ya I would just like to see someone other than a Kenpo person criticise TKD for awhile heh.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

 

[ace]

In the old Days were was ther actual fighting
Other then War.

Now i train to fight it's what i do.
Sport Fighting is good.


I respect all Martial Arts.

 

[7starmantis]

Originally posted by ace

In the old Days were was ther actual fighting
Other then War.

Now i train to fight it's what i do.
Sport Fighting is good.


I respect all Martial Arts.

You don't believe that "in the old days" people were perfect and no one ever got mugged or jumped, or anything like that do you? There were the same threats as today, just different.

Its like you chant this montra of MMA in order to save you from hearing what everyone else is saying. We are not attacking MMA or your blessed UFC, just saying this argument is moot nad old at that.


7sm

 

[tarabos]

I'm a kenpo guy myself, and i can say honestly that there's getting to be just as many Kenpo "mcdojos" as there are TKD ones.

Just the way it is. just as there are some boxing gyms that aren't so hot. who's fault is it? who cares?

Damian: my kitty used to look normal, then he saw there was another "this style sucks/i hate mcdojos/i'm the best" threads and he got all fired up.

 

[7starmantis]

Originally posted by tarabos

I'm a kenpo guy myself, and i can say honestly that there's getting to be just as many Kenpo "mcdojos" as there are TKD ones.

Just the way it is. just as there are some boxing gyms that aren't so hot. who's fault is it? who cares?

Damian: my kitty used to look normal, then he saw there was another "this style sucks/i hate mcdojos/i'm the best" threads and he got all fired up.

HEY, I recognize that kitty!!
ROAR, I hate flamewars, ROAR

 

[tarabos]

then that shall be the kitty's name...FLAMEY...the flamewar hating kitty...

 

[7starmantis]

LOL, sweet! He looks like Cliff Yablonski's kitty, thats where I got that.

Ever seen that site? Cliff's Site

Its horribly funny. Not for the light hearted though.


7sm

 

[ace]

And i Like Pride better than the UFC.

In the old Day's Before the UFC.

A Martial Arts instucter could
This & That & no 1 questioned it.

Secret
Hidden
Instrctional
Techniques

I saw this alot.

They could prmote there art as the deadlyist
Art this side of the Globe.

Now a day's people are much wiser.
They want truth.
They want what works.

Or they Want Cardio Kick Boxing.

Cross Traing is the way to go.
This is my belife
I stand By it.

And just cause a Martial Artist
Does Sport Fighting does not mean
He/She canot throw on
the jeans , sneakers & a Tshirt.

Then get down & dirty

Street fighting leads to trouble. ( Fact )

 

[7starmantis]

Originally posted by ace

And i Like Pride better than the UFC.

In the old Day's Before the UFC.

A Martial Arts instucter could
This & That & no 1 questioned it.

Secret
Hidden
Instrctional
Techniques

I saw this alot.

You saw this in the "old days" ? You are 20 something years old, what old days? I don't think there was ever a time where I didn't question everything.

7sm

 

[ace]

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[fist of fury]

Originally posted by ace


In the old Day's Before the UFC.

A Martial Arts instucter could
This & That & no 1 questioned it.

Secret
Hidden
Instrctional
Techniques

I saw this alot.
They could prmote there art as the deadlyist
Art this side of the Globe.

I hate to burst your bubble it still happens, except now they use the UFC for that purpose. Now it's MT,MMA,BJJ that are deadlist arts this side of the globe.

Now a day's people are much wiser.
They want truth.
They want what works.

not they aren't there still just as many money making mcdojo's as there were before.

Cross Traing is the way to go.

this is nothing new. Why do you think there are so many MA styles? crosstraining and experimentation

And just cause a Martial Artist
Does Sport Fighting does not mean
He/She canot throw on
the jeans , sneakers & a Tshirt.

Then get down & dirty

And just because someone doesn't cross train doesn't mean he/she cannot fight.

 

[tarabos]

Originally posted by 7starmantis

LOL, sweet! He looks like Cliff Yablonski's kitty, thats where I got that.

Ever seen that site? Cliff's Site

Its horribly funny. Not for the light hearted though.


7sm

man...that is funny...

am i wrong or do i recognize that face from the sherdog forums...?


EDIT: i looked at that site a little more whole-heartedly and now tears are running from my eyes from laughing so hard. I'm just scared that a picture of me will pop up on one of those pages...