Why do people think grappling arts always beat striking arts?

[Kung Fu Wang]

I had probably had to throw hime into the ground on his head, as it was the simplest method.

To throw someone off the stage can be worse than a punch to the head.

 

[Fungus]

To throw someone off the stage can be worse than a punch to the head.

Yes, absolutely. Landing on your head or falling the wrong way could be devastating, especiall outdoors without tatami. So I rather get down on my own, than beeing throwed into the ground.

But my point of the example is that as as kid, this was quite natural. It was an improvised throw no fancy advanced technique, just a like an improvised haymaker. For me at leat "wrestling" perhaps followed by trying to pull your opponents head off given that you get sufficiently upset, feels like more "innate fighting" than striking or boxing. I am more inclined to think that those that aren't trained, and then throw a forceful random strike are likely to hurt their wrists.

 

[isshinryuronin]

They couldn’t get anyone to fight in UFC 1. They asked everyone. They asked Wallace, Benny Urquidez etc

I consider Benny the original MMA fighter, although there was really no such thing during his prime. He could strike, kick and wrestle. For UFC 1, he was about 41, had many battles and his share of punishment - Wallace was 45 and even his legs slowed down. Royce Gracie was in his prime. They should not be faulted if they refused such a match, though I'm sure you didn't intend to do so. IMO, if Benny was the same age as Royce, Benny would be a TKO winner.

 

[Buka]

I consider Benny the original MMA fighter, although there was really no such thing during his prime. He could strike, kick and wrestle. For UFC 1, he was about 41, had many battles and his share of punishment - Wallace was 45 and even his legs slowed down. Royce Gracie was in his prime. They should not be faulted if they refused such a match, though I'm sure you didn't intend to do so. IMO, if Benny was the same age as Royce, Benny would be a TKO winner.

Maybe.

 

[Gyakuto]

Hmm not sure if I share that view. Not to say grappling is easy, but I'd say at least if you consider some rudimentary wrestling and takedowns, its quite natural. When you see kids fight, I'd say a mix of "wrestling" and haymakers is what you often see, may not elegant throws or locks but the "grappling or wrestling correspondence" to the amateur random haymaker.

I recall as as kid, when I was provoced ny a bully who was officially a karate practictioner, but he was not as strong as me... and i didnt want to fight. But as he kicked and jumped at me, I grabbed hime off the ground and threw him into some nearby thornbush. It didn't knock him him out but trashed his jacket and scared him off. I didn't eve attempt punch, had it escalated I had probably had to throw hime into the ground on his head, as it was the simplest method.

Well it’s clear you are a grappler, you should be practising grappling and give up your Kyokushin grade in disgrace…like that man in the TV series ‘Branded’ who has his sword snapped in half by his commanding officer

 

[Gyakuto]

 

[Buka]

Sorry to stray off topic but I was a big Chuck Conners fan. Two sport pro athlete - Brooklyn Dodgers in baseball, Boston Celtics in basketball. Then an acting career.

Rock star.

 

[Stuarto]

Because of ufc fanboys who don't understand anything else. Yes jiu jitsu was very effective against every style in 1993 but look at Gracie vs Hughes same weight and Hughes style was wrestling so it should be easy for Gracie to sub him but he never tried 1 submission. Basically the sport passed him by. All the old ufc and those videos of Gracie were against people who'd never heard of jiu jitsu these days people know the style even if you never trained you know what an arm bar is or a triangle. All the talk about striking being useless is nonsense look at the ufc stipe miocic is a former boxer, Jon jones was originally a wrestler but most of his success is due to his striking now, robbie lawlor a straight up brawler, connor mcgreggor a striker with awful wrestling and jiu jitsu, Dominic cruz former wrestler but mainly strikes these days. All ufc champions where striking is their base

Also plenty of former champs as strikers bas rutten, chuck liddel, rampage Jackson, forest griffin, shogun, lyoto machida, Anderson silva, anthony pettis all people who have had great success with striking backgrounds

Another good one back in the day was Don Frye. He had an iron jaw and would just pummel guys. Talk about striking power!

 

[Sammy Naur]

Another good one back in the day was Don Frye. He had an iron jaw and would just pummel guys. Talk about striking power!

Don Frye is an amazing human being. He is just one of those guys who makes you constantly ask "what the hell have I done with my life".

Wrestler, boxer, EMT, firefighter, , pro wrestler, MMA trainer (he helped trained Dan Severn!), MMA fighter, judoka. Actor, he was actually in that movie Public Enemies where Johnny Depp played John Dillinger, played an FBI agent.

He held the early UFC record for fastest KO against a 400+ lb giant. Forget which, I'll have to look it up, but it was impressive.

Sad fact I happen to know about Don, lost several jobs because of the anti MMA hype in the 90s, including his firefighting and high school wrestling coach spots. People often forget there was some real backlash before UFC became so popular.

Probably safe to say Don became the model for many MMA fighters after him, he was really one of the truly blended types who could just do anything anywhere in any situation. A true adapter.

 

[Fungus]

Well it’s clear you are a grappler, you should be practising grappling and give up your Kyokushin grade in disgrace…like that man in the TV series ‘Branded’ who has his sword snapped in half by his commanding officer

Haha.. I couldn't related to that as I never watched that show, not sure what he did to deserve to get his sword broken. But on the youtube clip it rather looked like he picked up his broken long sword, but saw something better; a big knife?

In our kyokushin Pinan sono go kata there is a grappling move; one of our instructors mentions (joke or not, but I like it) about that a possible bunkai is grappling for opponents nuts and then pull it like trophy and game over

 

[Fungus]

Probably safe to say Don became the model for many

for Master Ken?

A Don Frye style moustache is on top of the list, if I ever grow facial hair.

 

[isshinryuronin]

In our kyokushin Pinan sono go kata there is a grappling move; one of our instructors mentions (joke or not, but I like it) about that a possible bunkai is grappling for opponents nuts and then pull it like trophy and game over

The pinan 5 kata I was taught did indeed have that move and same bunkai. No joke. As a teen it was one of my favorite kata moves. I mean, it doesn't get any better than ripping someone's nuts off and dangling them over your head. Now, THAT's karate!

 

[Gyakuto]

Haha.. I couldn't related to that as I never watched that show, not sure what he did to deserve to get his sword broken. But on the youtube clip it rather looked like he picked up his broken long sword, but saw something better; a big knife?

A wakazashi!

In our kyokushin Pinan sono go kata there is a grappling move; one of our instructors mentions (joke or not, but I like it) about that a possible bunkai is grappling for opponents nuts and then pull it like trophy and game over

I’ve seen mawashi uke type movements described as grappling/throwing movements…

 

[_Simon_]

The pinan 5 kata I was taught did indeed have that move and same bunkai. No joke. As a teen it was one of my favorite kata moves. I mean, it doesn't get any better than ripping someone's nuts off and dangling them over your head. Now, THAT's karate!

It's quite a power move.