Why do people think grappling arts always beat striking arts?

[Unkogami]

Which is why grapplers target the body, not the hands or feet.

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[Hanzou]

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Is there something that confuses you?

 

[drop bear]

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Ok. Breaking it down to one technique.

A grappler isn't aiming for your hands he is aiming for your hips. If you punch at a person's head then you open up your hips to be attacked.

If you block punches to your head then you open your hips to be attacked.

Retracting your arms quickly is kind of factored in to this.

 

[drop bear]

Hard to tangle with arms when the other guy is to the outside of your arm, which is really the only place he can be if he's slipping the rhino guard. Your arms can only bend inward or upward, and there's no reason to have contact with the arms in either of those directions.

Sort of. The classic version of the rhino suggests you can enter and gain an underhook.

So Mabye it is possible with the rhino? I don't know. I don't like the disadvantages of either version.

The main one being you Ironically give up a lot of your ability to defend takedowns.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

If you block punches to your head then you open your hips to be attacked.

Retracting your arms quickly is kind of factored in to this.

You still have to guide your opponent's arms away from your entering path. So you still cannot ignore your opponent's hands position.

This is why wrestlers like to put both hands in front of their knees. If you attack their leg/legs, you have to deal with their hand first.

 

[Unkogami]

Is there something that confuses you?

Yeah, why you would say that. Hand fighting is a very important part of grappling, and several techniques do target the feet as well.

 

[Unkogami]

Ok. Breaking it down to one technique.

A grappler isn't aiming for your hands he is aiming for your hips. If you punch at a person's head then you open up your hips to be attacked.

If you block punches to your head then you open your hips to be attacked.

Retracting your arms quickly is kind of factored in to this.

There is A LOT more to takedowns than that. Every part of the body is involved.

 

[Hanzou]

Yeah, why you would say that. Hand fighting is a very important part of grappling, and several techniques do target the feet as well.

When you're in a grappling match with another grappler, sure. However, you're not handfighting when you're fighting a striker who is hitting you and pulling their hands back repeatedly.

However, even when you're hand fighting with another grappler, the GOAL isn't the hands, the GOAL is to get passed their hands and get to the body. Further, you wouldn't target a foot until you've isolated a limb, and if you've isolated a limb, the feet are merely one of several targets at that point.

 

[Koryuhoka]

You are most correct, Okinawan GoJu is all about close in combat.

Lots of grappling in Goju Ryu. Ground techniques. But let's leave them ignorant.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Sort of. The classic version of the rhino suggests you can enter and gain an underhook.

So Mabye it is possible with the rhino? I don't know. I don't like the disadvantages of either version.

The main one being you Ironically give up a lot of your ability to defend takedowns.

I do think in the right circumstance that can work. If you move up the middle with it, you are inside the arms. If they slip to the outside and block your pivot (easy enough against the outstretched arm), you lose that option.

 

[seasoned]

Lots of grappling in Goju Ryu. Ground techniques. But let's leave them ignorant.

The mystery of this hidden, within the kata, is the unique aspect of this old traditional art. Only, to be reveled in the black belt ranks, do we understand the treasure that has been handed down......But I digress to the non-traditionalist pertaining to Okinawan GoJu Ryu

 

[Unkogami]

When you're in a grappling match with another grappler, sure. However, you're not handfighting when you're fighting a striker who is hitting you and pulling their hands back repeatedly.

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Depends on the circumstances and the environment.

 

[Unkogami]

.... you wouldn't target a foot until you've isolated a limb, .....

Sometimes that's how you isolate a limb.

 

[Hanzou]

Sometimes that's how you isolate a limb.

If you're a big strong guy fighting a string-bean, sure.

 

[Unkogami]

If you're a big strong guy fighting a string-bean, sure.

That's got very little to do with it.

 

[Hanzou]

That's got very little to do with it.

 

[Unkogami]

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Trust me. I know what I'm talking about.

 

[drop bear]

The mystery of this hidden, within the kata, is the unique aspect of this old traditional art. Only, to be reveled in the black belt ranks, do we understand the treasure that has been handed down......But I digress to the non-traditionalist pertaining to Okinawan GoJu Ryu

Then what is the point?

You could just learn grappling pretty much anywhere and not have to wait for black.

And then when you do have your black and everyone is learning the mysteries of grappling. You would have years of practical experience under your belt and basically smoke the whole room.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I don't like that crazy monkey close guard. If my opponent wraps my head along with my arms, I will be in trouble.

 

[drop bear]

I don't like that crazy monkey close guard. If my opponent wraps my head along with my arms, I will be in trouble.

Not really. You are creating a frame. So it is a bit different.