Oh Johnny
You just keep stepping in it don't you. And you don't even realize it, thats the sad part.
You are such an arm chair expert.
Uhmmm no. Not with two decades of actual military/LEO experience under my belt. I used to think the way you do....when I was a teenager that watched alot of TV.
We have men in the field, using 45 and 9mm to fend for their lives. Who has more credibility, you or them?
The same because I'm still in the 'field' and still seeing both live action shootings as well as researching data for mine and other agencies. Here's a hint for you...there is much more to this field than reading Guns & Ammo.
I refer you, once again, to firearmstactical and Shawn Dodson as well as the International Wound Ballistics Association for some REAL data on REAL shootings involving REAL people. You REALLY need to put aside your pride and look at something beyond what you think you know. You are not an expert in this field my friend. No offense, but you are not. I'm an expert witness in this field because of my background and research. And it's public record for any and all to check out.
Have you ever seen someone get shot in real life in front of you?
Have you ever compared terminal wound ballistics?
Have you ever been called into court to testify as to your expertise in this area?
How many Firearms Instructor certifications do you hold?
How many prisoners have you taken custody of/interviewed that were wounded in a police action shooting or domestic dispute?
A 9mm +P has more 'energy' than a .45 and if the sectional density is equal it will have similar penetration. Penetration is the priority not gun rag gimmick phrases such as 'energy transfer'.
There is nothing wrong with this statement. For example let's use the 9mm round I am carrying right now as I type this post. It is a Gold Dot 124+P 9mm with a nominal muzzle velocity of 1220 FPS vs a standard 230 .45 with a nominal muzzle velocity of 850 FPS [IF it is out of a 5 inch barrel].
Lets do the math shall we....
124 divided by 7000 [bullet weight in lbs = 0.01771428...
multipied by the square of the velocity = 26365.94...
divided by two gravities [64.32] = 409.91 FPE
So the 9mm +P has 410 FPE
230 divided = 0.032857...
multiplied = 23739.28...
divided = 369.08
So the .45 has 369 FPE
Hmmm, I'm not sure where you learned math but 410 is a bigger number than 369. You can go into momentum and the like but that is generally used for slide energy and has nothing to do with how hard a bullet 'hits' someone.
As to Hackworth, I AGAIN, provided resourses into his 'account' of the Berreta that showed his errors. Your choosing to ignore those sources does not negate their validity.
your statement about 45 being 2mm larger than the 9,
A 9mm is .355 caliber. A .40/10mm is just that. A .45 is of course .454 give or take depending on the bullet maker and loading i.e. .454 casull etc. That is pretty much a 2mm difference between the two. If you can't see that, well.....
Bullets DO NOT knock people down, period, end of story. Maybe in your world they do but not in the real world. If bullets DO knock people down then answer this question for all of us here reading this...
SSgt Carlos Hathcock USMC, one of the best Marine snipers ever [probably THE best] with 93 confirmed kills and possibly as much as 3 times that many unconfirmed. Most with the Winschester 70. He recounts a mission in which he shot a VC with the Win 70 at around 100 yards which is NOTHING as far as his capabilities were concerned. Direct COM shot with a round that has perhaps FOUR TIMES the 'energy' of a .45 in FPE. Not only didn't the VC fall down...he broke into a FULL RUN towards Hatcock's position. Hathcock repeatedly hit him COM and it didn't even SLOW HIM DOWN. Finally I believe the 7th time a head shot ended the VC's sprint. Now this is a VC that was probably 130 lbs soaking wet, hit by multiple rifle fire with CONSIDERABLY more 'energy', 'velocity' etc [all the buzz words] than a .45 and it didn't knock him down and it didn't stop him until there was a major CNS hit.
Why was this small statured individual not 'knock down'? This mission was witnessed and verified by his spoter Cpl Burke I believe. So how about it Mr. Knock down energy guy.....
Hugs and kisses