What is NOT being talked about in regards to the Duck Dynasty controversy

[Drasken]

Hahahaha

That statement is so demonstrably and self-evidently false it is hilarious.

How is it false? There are groups fighting in the Middle East for equality of women, people are rising up with the help of our troops and using their voices to oppose oppressive regimes.
There are advocacy groups calling attention to it all the time. We have news on this constantly. But we are fighting against ideals that are so deeply ingrained in a culture and it will take time.
Much like the fight for civil rights, gender equality and now our fight for homosexual rights in our own country.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Your wrong. True Christians don't judge or bully. Its not our place to judge anyone that's Gods job. I can believe your commiting a sin that doesn't mean I hate you or want to hurt you. If people are using the word of god to do bad things that is also a sin. These same people would bully even without trying to use the excuse of the bible.

So the Spanish Inquisition was secular?

 

[Touch Of Death]

Hahahaha

That statement is so demonstrably and self-evidently false it is hilarious.

Hey, you just attacked Islam by proxy!

 

[crushing]

I note the cowardice in many of you, for not attacking Islam for the same thing.

Your comparison between the two religions is very appropriate as they have much in common and was made earlier today in this thread - http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/sh...s-to-A-amp-E?p=1616358&highlight=#post1616358

 

[Bob Hubbard]

I note the cowardice in many of you, for not attacking Islam for the same thing. BTW, when was the last time a Christian nation executed a homosexual?

• James Pratt and John Smith, two London men who became the last two to be hanged for sodomy in England, in November 1835

That was the last Official execution I could find.

Unofficially, Christians are killing homosexuals around the world. How about 2011 in Philadelphia PA?

A 28 year-old Philadelphia-area man admitted he stoned to death a 70 year-old man because the Bible says to stone homosexuals. John Joe Thomas reportedly killed Murray Joseph Seidman, whom he knew, and told police, “I stoned Murray with a rock in a sock,” because he had read in the Bible that gays should be stoned.
According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, “The young man and Seidman were often seen together grocery shopping and going to church,” and “He then described how he placed batteries and rocks in a sock, and hit Seidman in the head at least 10 times.”
Think about this. Gays are being stoned to death in 21st century America. Actually, we don’t even know if the man who was stoned was gay, but his murderer thought he was.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...ible-says-to-stone-gays/news/2011/03/18/18138

From the link above. I have not verified the claims as to what the versions say.

(The following is also via Aravosis at AmericaBlog)

New International Version (©1984)
“‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. New Living Translation (©2007)
“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
English Standard Version (©2001)
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act;they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
When a man has sexual intercourse with another man as with a woman, both men are doing something disgusting and must be put to death. They deserve to die.
King James Bible
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
American King James Version
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them.
American Standard Version
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Bible in Basic English
And if a man has sex relations with a man, the two of them have done a disgusting thing: let them be put to death; their blood will be on them.
Douay-Rheims Bible
If any one lie with a man se with a woman, both have committed an abomination, let them be put to death: their blood be upon them.
Darby Bible Translation
And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.
English Revised Version
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Webster’s Bible Translation
If a man also shall lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
World English Bible
“‘If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Young’s Literal Translation
And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them.

​

2007, Texas

A Cypress man charged in the death of a Southwest Airlines flight attendant said Saturday that he was doing God's work when he went to a Montrose-area bar last month, hunting for a gay man to kill.
"I believe I'm Elijah, called by God to be a prophet," said 26-year-old Terry Mark Mangum, charged with murder June 11. " ... I believe with all my heart that I was doing the right thing."
Interviewed in the Brazoria County Jail Saturday morning, Mangum said he feels no remorse for killing 46-year-old Kenneth Cummings Jr., whom relatives described as a "loving" son who never forgot a holiday and a devoted uncle who had set up college funds for his niece and nephew. He worked at Southwest for 24 years.
Mangum, who described himself as "definitely not a homosexual," said God called on him to "carry out a code of retribution" by killing a gay man because "sexual perversion" is the "worst sin.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...r-suspect-says-he-did-right-thing-1608151.php

2011, Atlanta GA

District Attorney Tracey Cline said Friday 27-year-old Peter Lucas Moses shot 5-year-old Jadon Higganbothan because he thought the boy was gay. (LINK)

http://livinglifewithoutanet.com/2011/07/09/five-year-old-killed-for-being-gay/

2011, Carroll County, GA

Christians Firebomb A Gay Man's House
A christian group tried to execute a rural Georgia man by burning him alive in his home over the weekend. A rock was thrown through Chris Staples windows with a note attached threatening to kill him for being Gay. Hours later Staples’ home was engulfed in flames, he barely escaped with his life.

http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/2011...empt-to-burn-georgia-man-alive-for-being-gay/

And one assault where local law enforcement refused to take a complaint:
2011, TN
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Assault-Complaints-Filed-after-Incident-at-Church-130746713.html

WBBJ:

“I went over to take the keys out of the ignition and all the sudden I hear someone say ‘sick’em,’” said Gibson County resident, Jerry Pittman Jr.
Pittman said the attacked was prompted by the pastor of the church, Jerry Pittman, his father.
“My uncle and two other deacons came over to the car per my dad’s request. My uncle smash me in the door as the other deacon knocked my boyfriend back so he couldn’t help me, punching him in his face and his chest. The other deacon came and hit me through my car window in my back,” said Pittman. He said bystanders did not offer assistance. He said the deacon yelled derogatory homosexual slurs, even after officers arrived. He said the officers never intervened to stop the deacons from yelling the slurs.

​

Nearly 14 hate crimes are committed every day against the Gay and Lesbian community, and that number is growing. The majority of victims are attacked in their homes.

• Christian Minister Wants Taxpayers To Fund Extermination Of Gay & Lesbian Americans
• Teenage Gang Attempts To Burn Gay Man In Duluth, Minnesota
• Christian Minister Demands Congress Build Concentration Camps, Calls for Genocide Against Gay & Lesbian Americans
• North Carolina Pastor Sean Harris Directs Christian Congregation To Beat Gay & Lesbian Children – Local School Threatened

However it's illegal to be gay in 80+ countries.

Here's the Americas 62 Antigua & Barbuda
63 Barbados
64 Belize
65 Dominica
66 Grenada
67 Guyana
68 Jamaica
69 St Kitts & Nevis
70 St Lucia
71 St Vincent & the Grenadines
72 Trinidad & Tobago


In the United States, anti-sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2003, but they are still on the books in 13 states: Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Virginia. Conservative state legislators refuse to repeal the laws and, in some cases, police still enforce them. Reportedly, in the past few years more than a dozen LGBT people were arrested for violating those laws, but the arrestees were freed because prosecutors won’t seek convictions based on defunct laws.


http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/


Oh, just a "few" more to add. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

[h=3]2010–present[/h]

• January 18, 2010 – The half-naked corpse of Myra Chanel Ical, 51, a trans woman of color, was found in a vacant lot in Houston, Texas.[SUP][124][/SUP]
• March 30, 2010 – Amanda Gonzalez-Andujar, a 29-year-old Latina trans woman, was found dead in her Queens, New York apartment. The autopsy found that her attacker, Rasheen Everett, had strangled her then doused her body with bleach.[SUP][125][/SUP]
• April 3, 2010 – Toni Alston, a black 44-year-old transgender woman, was shot in the front door of her home in West Charlotte, North Carolina.[SUP][126][/SUP]
• May 7, 2010 – Dana A. "Chanel" Larkin, a 26-year-old black trans woman who worked as a prostitute, was shot three times in the head by her client, Andrew Olacirequi, after she asked him if he was okay with them having sex despite her male genitalia. She was found dead on the pavement of a Milwaukee street.[SUP][127][/SUP]
• June 21, 2010 – Sandy Woulard, a 28-year-old trans woman, was shot in the chest in South Side, Chicago. A passing motorist found her lying in the street, and she was pronounced dead at the hospital.[SUP][128][/SUP]
• October 3, 2010 – A 30-year-old male known as "la Reina" (the Queen), Bryan Almonte, 17, and Brian Cepeda, 17, were kidnapped by a homophobic group of youths calling themselves the Latin King Goonies, sodomized by foreign objects including a plunger and baseball bat, burned with cigarettes, and tortured for hours. One of the teenage victims had wanted to join the gang the attackers were part of, but when members saw him with the 30-year-old, they later picked him up and took him to an abandoned apartment and asked him if the two had had sex. When the teenager responded positively, he was beaten and sodomized. The gang later picked up the second teenager whom they had also seen with the 30-year-old and repeated the process. They then lured the 30-year-old to the building with the promise of a party. When he arrived with alcohol, the gang tied him up and tortured him and made the 17-year-old burn him with cigarettes. They then robbed the man's 40-year-old brother, coercing him by putting a cellphone to his ear so he could hear his brother beg to pay them.[SUP][129][/SUP][SUP][130][/SUP][SUP][131][/SUP]
• September 11, 2010 – Victoria Carmen White, a 28-year-old black transgender woman, died of bullet wounds in her New Jersey apartment. It is believed she was targeted by her killer, Alrashim Chambers, for her gender identity.[SUP][132][/SUP]
• October 14, 2010 – Stacey Blahnik Lee, a 31-year-old black trans woman, was found murdered in her Philadelphia home by her boyfriend.[SUP][133][/SUP]
• November 17, 2010 – 18-year-old Joshua Wilkerson was found dead in a field in Pearland, Texas, after being beaten to death and set on fire by a friend of 5 years, Hermilio Moralez. This was supposedly a retaliation to unwanted sexual advances.[SUP][134][/SUP]
• January 11, 2011 – Chrissie Bates, a 45-year-old transgender woman, was stabbed to death in her downtown Minneapolis apartment. Arnold Darwin Waukazo was sentenced to 367 months in prison for the murder.[SUP][135][/SUP]
• February 19, 2011 – Tyra Trent, a black 25-year-old trans woman, was found strangled to death in a vacant house.[SUP][136][/SUP]
• April 4, 2011 – Quinn Matney suffered 3rd and 4th degree burns to his wrist after being branded by an unidentified man for being gay. The attack happened while he was taking a night time stroll on his university campus in North Carolina.[SUP][137][/SUP]
• April 2011 – Kevin Pennington, a gay 28-year-old male, was kidnapped and severely beaten in a Kentucky park by two men shouting anti gay epithets. David Jason Jenkins and Anthony Ray Jenkins face possible life sentences for anti gay hate crime.[SUP][138][/SUP] On March 15, 2012, the Kentucky State Police assisted the FBI in arresting David Jenkins, Anthony Jenkins, Mable Jenkins, and Alexis Jenkins of Partridge, KY for the beating of Kevin Pennington during a late-night attack in April 2011 at Kingdom Come State Park,[SUP][139][/SUP][SUP][140][/SUP] near Cumberland. The push came from the gay-rights group Kentucky Equality Federation, whose president, Jordan Palmer, began lobbying the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky in August 2011[SUP][141][/SUP] to prosecute after stating he had no confidence in the Harlan County Commonwealth's Attorney to act.[SUP][142][/SUP] "I think the case's notoriety may have derived in large part from the Kentucky Equality Federation efforts," said Harvey, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky.[SUP][143][/SUP] Mable Jenkins, and Alexis Jenkins plead guilty.[SUP][143][/SUP]
• April 22, 2011 – Chrissy Lee Polis,[SUP][144][/SUP] a 22-year-old trans woman, was beaten in a violent struggle by two African-American women for entering the women's bathroom in Baltimore County, Maryland, which triggered her to have a seizure. A McDonald's employee, who was later fired, filmed the encounter and released the film on the internet; it since went viral. Teonna Monae Brown, 19, pleaded guilty to first-degree assault and a hate crime in the beating, and was sentenced to 5 years in prison, plus three years of supervised probation. The other woman was charged as a juvenile and committed to a juvenile detention facility.[SUP][145][/SUP] See: 2011 Rosedale, Maryland beating
• June 2011 – Rosita Hernandez, a Cuban trans woman, was stabbed to death in Miami.[SUP][146][/SUP]
• July 20, 2011 – Lashai Mclean, a 23-year-old African American trans woman, was shot to death in Northeast Washington DC.[SUP][147][/SUP]
• August 11, 2011 – Camila Guzman, a Latina transgender woman, was found murdered in her apartment in East Harlem, Manhattan.[SUP][148][/SUP]
• September 8, 2011 – Cameron Nelson, a 32-year-old gay man, was attacked at his place of employment in Utah.[SUP][149][/SUP]
• October 11, 2011 – Shelley Hilliard, a black transgender teen who had been reported missing, had her burnt torso identified by police in Detroit.[SUP][150][/SUP] Her killer, 30-year-old Qasim Raqib, was sentenced on March 6, 2012 to 25–40 years in jail.[SUP][151][/SUP]
• November 15, 2011 – Danny Vega, a 58-year-old Asian-American gay man who worked as a hairdresser in Rainier Valley, Seattle was beaten and robbed as he was taking a walk. The beating left Vega in a coma from which he later died.[SUP][152][/SUP]
• November 17, 2011 – Cassidy Nathan Vickers, a 32-year-old black transgender woman, died from a fatal gunshot wound to the chest in Hollywood. Her killer, who is still unidentified, is suspected of also attempting to rob and non-fatally shoot another black transgender woman on the same day.[SUP][153][/SUP]
• December 17, 2011 – Charlie Hernandez, a 26-year-old who was openly gay, was stabbed to death following a brawl that included anti-gay slurs that occurred with two men after he accidentally stepped on some sunglasses.[SUP][154][/SUP]
• December 24, 2011 – Dee Dee Pearson, a 31-year-old transgender woman, died from bullet wounds in Kansas City, Missouri. Kenyan L. Jones was charged with second-degree murder and armed criminal action. Jones told police he paid to have sexual relations with Ms Pearson, believing her to be a cisgender woman, but hours after having sex with her, discovered she was not.[SUP][155][/SUP] Angered by what he considered to be a deception, he got a 9mm-caliber handgun, found Ms Pearson, and killed her.[SUP][156][/SUP] Kenyan L. Jones was arrested on suspicion of her murder.[SUP][157][/SUP]
• December 29, 2011 – The body of Githe Goines, a black 23-year-old trans woman[SUP][158][/SUP] who had been reported missing 2 weeks beforehand, was found in a scrapheap. An autopsy set that the time of her death as much as 2 days before her body was discovered, and that she had been strangled.[SUP][159][/SUP]
• January 21, 2012 – Crain Conaway, a black 47-year-old trans woman, was found dead in her home in Oceanside, California.[SUP][160][/SUP] Tyree Paschall Monday was arrested in connection with her murder.[SUP][161][/SUP]
• February 2, 2012 – JaParker "Deoni" Jones, a 23-year-old black trans woman, was stabbed in the head while waiting at a Metro bus stop in Washington DC.[SUP][162][/SUP]
• February 2012 – Cody Rogers, an 18-year-old teenager, was brutally assaulted and targeted with homophobic slurs at a party after defending a female friend who was also attacked.[SUP][163][/SUP]
• March 24, 2012 – Several transgender and crossdressing people were shot at and robbed in Florida by a man, suspected to be De Los Santos. 23-year-old Tyrell Jackson was fatally wounded in the shooting, which also injured 20-year-old Michael Hunter.[SUP][164][/SUP]
• April 3, 2012 – Coko Williams, a black trans woman, was found murdered in East Detroit, Michigan. The homicide may have been related to Coko's involvement in sex work.[SUP][165][/SUP]
• April 16, 2012 – Paige Clay, 23, a black trans woman, was found dead, with a bullet wound to her face in West Garfield Park, Chicago. The death was ruled as a homicide.[SUP][166][/SUP]
• April 21, 2012 – Eric Unger, a 23-year-old gay man living in Illinois, was attacked by a group of men on the way home from a party, while they shouted anti-gay epithets at him. The investigation is ongoing.[SUP][167][/SUP]
• April 29, 2012 – Brandy Martell, a 37-year-old trans woman of color, was murdered in Oakland, California.[SUP][168][/SUP]
• May 2012 – Max Pelofske, a 21-year-old gay man, was beaten by a group of youths at a party in Minnesota. Pelofske claims it was a hate crime, but police disagree.[SUP][169][/SUP]
• June 5, 2012 – Kardin Ulysse, a black 14-year-old boy, was attacked in the cafeteria of Roy Mann Junior High School by another group of boys. He was called anti-gay slurs and sustained damage to the cornea of one of his eyes, leaving him blinded. Ulysse's parents planned on suing the city for failing to supervise its students properly.[SUP][170][/SUP]
• June 23, 2012 – Mollie Olgin, 19 years old, and her girlfriend, Kristene Chapa, 18 years old, were found shot in the head near Violet Andrews Park in Portland, Texas. Olgin died at the scene and Chapa survived. Law enforcement has said there is no evidence to suggest that the incident is a hate crime.[SUP][171][/SUP] The Human Rights Campaign and Equality Texas urged a thorough investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI and Portland police to find the shooter.[SUP][172][/SUP]
• July 5, 2012 – Tracy Johnson, a 40-year-old black trans woman, was found dead from gunshot wounds in Baltimore, Maryland.[SUP][173][/SUP]
• August 14, 2012 – Tiffany Gooden, a 19-year-old black trans woman, was found murdered on the second floor of an abandoned building in Chicago. An autopsy verified that she had been stabbed to death. Notably, the body of Paige Clay, another young black trans woman, was discovered in April 3 blocks away from where Tiffany was found. The pair were known as friends.[SUP][174][/SUP]
• August 18, 2012 – Kendall Hampton, a 26-year-old black trans woman, died of gunshot wounds. Eugene Carlos Dukes was arrested in early September for her murder, and indicted later that month.[SUP][175][/SUP]
• August 26, 2012 – Deja Jones, a 33-year-old black trans woman, was shot to death in Miami. No arrest has yet been made.[SUP][176][/SUP]
• September 3, 2012 – The body of Kyra Cordova, a 27-year-old trans woman, was found in a wooded area in Frankford, Philadelphia.[SUP][177][/SUP]
• November 15, 2012 – Janette Tovar, a 43-year-old trans woman was murdered by her partner, Jonathan Kenney, according to police, who beat her and slammed her head into concrete. He was later arrested for her murder.[SUP][178][/SUP]
• March 1, 2013 – Sondra Scarber addressed a parent about her girlfriend's son being bullied at Seabourn Elementary School in Mesquite, Texas, and was beaten by him when he realized that she was a lesbian.[SUP][179][/SUP]
• May 17, 2013 – Mark Carson, a 32-year old black gay man,[SUP][180][/SUP] was shot to death by another man who trailed and taunted him and a friend as they walked down the street in Greenwich Village, New York. When the two friends ignored the assailant's questions, the man began yelling anti-gay slurs and asked one of them, "You want to die tonight?" Elliot Morales, 33, was arrested briefly after the shooting and charged with murder and weapons charges on May 19.[SUP][181][/SUP] According to police, Morales said he shot Carson because he was "acting tough".[SUP][182][/SUP] Morales pleaded not guilty on June 19, 2013.[SUP][183][/SUP]
• November 4, 2013 - Sasha Fleischman, an 18-year-old who identifies as genderqueer (neither male nor female), had their skirt set on fire while they were sleeping on an AC Transit bus in Oakland, California. Police arrested 16-year-old Richard Thomas and charged him as an adult with aggravated mayhem, assault by means likely to produce great bodily injury, and hate-crime enhancements. Thomas admitted to police that he had started the fire and that he did it because he was "homophobic."[SUP][184][/SUP]

I'll let those interested in such dig into the details and see if any of the murderers or assailents might be Christians, who go to churches with strong anti-gay leanings.

Now, to put this all in perspective, the FBI is saying there are 14 hate crimes per day against gays in the US. That's 5,110. Assuming an average of 2 attackers per incident (A number I pulled from thin air), that puts the number of asshat Christians ignorant enought to get violent at 10,220. The US Population is 320,000,000. At least half identify as Christian. Meaning 160,000,000.
Meaning 159,989,780 Christians did not kill, beat, assault, vandalize or otherwise "hate" gays that year.

 

[granfire]

they might not have thrown the first (or any) stone, but even 'mild mannered' Christians have been heard to utter the phrase 'they should be shot' in regard to gay people....

 

[ballen0351]

• James Pratt and John Smith, two London men who became the last two to be hanged for sodomy in England, in November 1835

That was the last Official execution I could find.

Unofficially, Christians are killing homosexuals around the world. How about 2011 in Philadelphia PA?
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...ible-says-to-stone-gays/news/2011/03/18/18138

From the link above. I have not verified the claims as to what the versions say.


2007, Texas

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...r-suspect-says-he-did-right-thing-1608151.php

2011, Atlanta GA

http://livinglifewithoutanet.com/2011/07/09/five-year-old-killed-for-being-gay/

2011, Carroll County, GA
http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/2011...empt-to-burn-georgia-man-alive-for-being-gay/

And one assault where local law enforcement refused to take a complaint:
2011, TN
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Assault-Complaints-Filed-after-Incident-at-Church-130746713.html


Nearly 14 hate crimes are committed every day against the Gay and Lesbian community, and that number is growing. The majority of victims are attacked in their homes.

• Christian Minister Wants Taxpayers To Fund Extermination Of Gay & Lesbian Americans
• Teenage Gang Attempts To Burn Gay Man In Duluth, Minnesota
• Christian Minister Demands Congress Build Concentration Camps, Calls for Genocide Against Gay & Lesbian Americans
• North Carolina Pastor Sean Harris Directs Christian Congregation To Beat Gay & Lesbian Children – Local School Threatened

However it's illegal to be gay in 80+ countries.

Here's the Americas 62 Antigua & Barbuda
63 Barbados
64 Belize
65 Dominica
66 Grenada
67 Guyana
68 Jamaica
69 St Kitts & Nevis
70 St Lucia
71 St Vincent & the Grenadines
72 Trinidad & Tobago


In the United States, anti-sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2003, but they are still on the books in 13 states: Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Virginia. Conservative state legislators refuse to repeal the laws and, in some cases, police still enforce them. Reportedly, in the past few years more than a dozen LGBT people were arrested for violating those laws, but the arrestees were freed because prosecutors won’t seek convictions based on defunct laws.


http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/


Oh, just a "few" more to add. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

2010–present

• January 18, 2010 – The half-naked corpse of Myra Chanel Ical, 51, a trans woman of color, was found in a vacant lot in Houston, Texas.[SUP][124][/SUP]
• March 30, 2010 – Amanda Gonzalez-Andujar, a 29-year-old Latina trans woman, was found dead in her Queens, New York apartment. The autopsy found that her attacker, Rasheen Everett, had strangled her then doused her body with bleach.[SUP][125][/SUP]
• April 3, 2010 – Toni Alston, a black 44-year-old transgender woman, was shot in the front door of her home in West Charlotte, North Carolina.[SUP][126][/SUP]
• May 7, 2010 – Dana A. "Chanel" Larkin, a 26-year-old black trans woman who worked as a prostitute, was shot three times in the head by her client, Andrew Olacirequi, after she asked him if he was okay with them having sex despite her male genitalia. She was found dead on the pavement of a Milwaukee street.[SUP][127][/SUP]
• June 21, 2010 – Sandy Woulard, a 28-year-old trans woman, was shot in the chest in South Side, Chicago. A passing motorist found her lying in the street, and she was pronounced dead at the hospital.[SUP][128][/SUP]
• October 3, 2010 – A 30-year-old male known as "la Reina" (the Queen), Bryan Almonte, 17, and Brian Cepeda, 17, were kidnapped by a homophobic group of youths calling themselves the Latin King Goonies, sodomized by foreign objects including a plunger and baseball bat, burned with cigarettes, and tortured for hours. One of the teenage victims had wanted to join the gang the attackers were part of, but when members saw him with the 30-year-old, they later picked him up and took him to an abandoned apartment and asked him if the two had had sex. When the teenager responded positively, he was beaten and sodomized. The gang later picked up the second teenager whom they had also seen with the 30-year-old and repeated the process. They then lured the 30-year-old to the building with the promise of a party. When he arrived with alcohol, the gang tied him up and tortured him and made the 17-year-old burn him with cigarettes. They then robbed the man's 40-year-old brother, coercing him by putting a cellphone to his ear so he could hear his brother beg to pay them.[SUP][129][/SUP][SUP][130][/SUP][SUP][131][/SUP]
• September 11, 2010 – Victoria Carmen White, a 28-year-old black transgender woman, died of bullet wounds in her New Jersey apartment. It is believed she was targeted by her killer, Alrashim Chambers, for her gender identity.[SUP][132][/SUP]
• October 14, 2010 – Stacey Blahnik Lee, a 31-year-old black trans woman, was found murdered in her Philadelphia home by her boyfriend.[SUP][133][/SUP]
• November 17, 2010 – 18-year-old Joshua Wilkerson was found dead in a field in Pearland, Texas, after being beaten to death and set on fire by a friend of 5 years, Hermilio Moralez. This was supposedly a retaliation to unwanted sexual advances.[SUP][134][/SUP]
• January 11, 2011 – Chrissie Bates, a 45-year-old transgender woman, was stabbed to death in her downtown Minneapolis apartment. Arnold Darwin Waukazo was sentenced to 367 months in prison for the murder.[SUP][135][/SUP]
• February 19, 2011 – Tyra Trent, a black 25-year-old trans woman, was found strangled to death in a vacant house.[SUP][136][/SUP]
• April 4, 2011 – Quinn Matney suffered 3rd and 4th degree burns to his wrist after being branded by an unidentified man for being gay. The attack happened while he was taking a night time stroll on his university campus in North Carolina.[SUP][137][/SUP]
• April 2011 – Kevin Pennington, a gay 28-year-old male, was kidnapped and severely beaten in a Kentucky park by two men shouting anti gay epithets. David Jason Jenkins and Anthony Ray Jenkins face possible life sentences for anti gay hate crime.[SUP][138][/SUP] On March 15, 2012, the Kentucky State Police assisted the FBI in arresting David Jenkins, Anthony Jenkins, Mable Jenkins, and Alexis Jenkins of Partridge, KY for the beating of Kevin Pennington during a late-night attack in April 2011 at Kingdom Come State Park,[SUP][139][/SUP][SUP][140][/SUP] near Cumberland. The push came from the gay-rights group Kentucky Equality Federation, whose president, Jordan Palmer, began lobbying the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky in August 2011[SUP][141][/SUP] to prosecute after stating he had no confidence in the Harlan County Commonwealth's Attorney to act.[SUP][142][/SUP] "I think the case's notoriety may have derived in large part from the Kentucky Equality Federation efforts," said Harvey, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky.[SUP][143][/SUP] Mable Jenkins, and Alexis Jenkins plead guilty.[SUP][143][/SUP]
• April 22, 2011 – Chrissy Lee Polis,[SUP][144][/SUP] a 22-year-old trans woman, was beaten in a violent struggle by two African-American women for entering the women's bathroom in Baltimore County, Maryland, which triggered her to have a seizure. A McDonald's employee, who was later fired, filmed the encounter and released the film on the internet; it since went viral. Teonna Monae Brown, 19, pleaded guilty to first-degree assault and a hate crime in the beating, and was sentenced to 5 years in prison, plus three years of supervised probation. The other woman was charged as a juvenile and committed to a juvenile detention facility.[SUP][145][/SUP] See: 2011 Rosedale, Maryland beating
• June 2011 – Rosita Hernandez, a Cuban trans woman, was stabbed to death in Miami.[SUP][146][/SUP]
• July 20, 2011 – Lashai Mclean, a 23-year-old African American trans woman, was shot to death in Northeast Washington DC.[SUP][147][/SUP]
• August 11, 2011 – Camila Guzman, a Latina transgender woman, was found murdered in her apartment in East Harlem, Manhattan.[SUP][148][/SUP]
• September 8, 2011 – Cameron Nelson, a 32-year-old gay man, was attacked at his place of employment in Utah.[SUP][149][/SUP]
• October 11, 2011 – Shelley Hilliard, a black transgender teen who had been reported missing, had her burnt torso identified by police in Detroit.[SUP][150][/SUP] Her killer, 30-year-old Qasim Raqib, was sentenced on March 6, 2012 to 25–40 years in jail.[SUP][151][/SUP]
• November 15, 2011 – Danny Vega, a 58-year-old Asian-American gay man who worked as a hairdresser in Rainier Valley, Seattle was beaten and robbed as he was taking a walk. The beating left Vega in a coma from which he later died.[SUP][152][/SUP]
• November 17, 2011 – Cassidy Nathan Vickers, a 32-year-old black transgender woman, died from a fatal gunshot wound to the chest in Hollywood. Her killer, who is still unidentified, is suspected of also attempting to rob and non-fatally shoot another black transgender woman on the same day.[SUP][153][/SUP]
• December 17, 2011 – Charlie Hernandez, a 26-year-old who was openly gay, was stabbed to death following a brawl that included anti-gay slurs that occurred with two men after he accidentally stepped on some sunglasses.[SUP][154][/SUP]
• December 24, 2011 – Dee Dee Pearson, a 31-year-old transgender woman, died from bullet wounds in Kansas City, Missouri. Kenyan L. Jones was charged with second-degree murder and armed criminal action. Jones told police he paid to have sexual relations with Ms Pearson, believing her to be a cisgender woman, but hours after having sex with her, discovered she was not.[SUP][155][/SUP] Angered by what he considered to be a deception, he got a 9mm-caliber handgun, found Ms Pearson, and killed her.[SUP][156][/SUP] Kenyan L. Jones was arrested on suspicion of her murder.[SUP][157][/SUP]
• December 29, 2011 – The body of Githe Goines, a black 23-year-old trans woman[SUP][158][/SUP] who had been reported missing 2 weeks beforehand, was found in a scrapheap. An autopsy set that the time of her death as much as 2 days before her body was discovered, and that she had been strangled.[SUP][159][/SUP]
• January 21, 2012 – Crain Conaway, a black 47-year-old trans woman, was found dead in her home in Oceanside, California.[SUP][160][/SUP] Tyree Paschall Monday was arrested in connection with her murder.[SUP][161][/SUP]
• February 2, 2012 – JaParker "Deoni" Jones, a 23-year-old black trans woman, was stabbed in the head while waiting at a Metro bus stop in Washington DC.[SUP][162][/SUP]
• February 2012 – Cody Rogers, an 18-year-old teenager, was brutally assaulted and targeted with homophobic slurs at a party after defending a female friend who was also attacked.[SUP][163][/SUP]
• March 24, 2012 – Several transgender and crossdressing people were shot at and robbed in Florida by a man, suspected to be De Los Santos. 23-year-old Tyrell Jackson was fatally wounded in the shooting, which also injured 20-year-old Michael Hunter.[SUP][164][/SUP]
• April 3, 2012 – Coko Williams, a black trans woman, was found murdered in East Detroit, Michigan. The homicide may have been related to Coko's involvement in sex work.[SUP][165][/SUP]
• April 16, 2012 – Paige Clay, 23, a black trans woman, was found dead, with a bullet wound to her face in West Garfield Park, Chicago. The death was ruled as a homicide.[SUP][166][/SUP]
• April 21, 2012 – Eric Unger, a 23-year-old gay man living in Illinois, was attacked by a group of men on the way home from a party, while they shouted anti-gay epithets at him. The investigation is ongoing.[SUP][167][/SUP]
• April 29, 2012 – Brandy Martell, a 37-year-old trans woman of color, was murdered in Oakland, California.[SUP][168][/SUP]
• May 2012 – Max Pelofske, a 21-year-old gay man, was beaten by a group of youths at a party in Minnesota. Pelofske claims it was a hate crime, but police disagree.[SUP][169][/SUP]
• June 5, 2012 – Kardin Ulysse, a black 14-year-old boy, was attacked in the cafeteria of Roy Mann Junior High School by another group of boys. He was called anti-gay slurs and sustained damage to the cornea of one of his eyes, leaving him blinded. Ulysse's parents planned on suing the city for failing to supervise its students properly.[SUP][170][/SUP]
• June 23, 2012 – Mollie Olgin, 19 years old, and her girlfriend, Kristene Chapa, 18 years old, were found shot in the head near Violet Andrews Park in Portland, Texas. Olgin died at the scene and Chapa survived. Law enforcement has said there is no evidence to suggest that the incident is a hate crime.[SUP][171][/SUP] The Human Rights Campaign and Equality Texas urged a thorough investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI and Portland police to find the shooter.[SUP][172][/SUP]
• July 5, 2012 – Tracy Johnson, a 40-year-old black trans woman, was found dead from gunshot wounds in Baltimore, Maryland.[SUP][173][/SUP]
• August 14, 2012 – Tiffany Gooden, a 19-year-old black trans woman, was found murdered on the second floor of an abandoned building in Chicago. An autopsy verified that she had been stabbed to death. Notably, the body of Paige Clay, another young black trans woman, was discovered in April 3 blocks away from where Tiffany was found. The pair were known as friends.[SUP][174][/SUP]
• August 18, 2012 – Kendall Hampton, a 26-year-old black trans woman, died of gunshot wounds. Eugene Carlos Dukes was arrested in early September for her murder, and indicted later that month.[SUP][175][/SUP]
• August 26, 2012 – Deja Jones, a 33-year-old black trans woman, was shot to death in Miami. No arrest has yet been made.[SUP][176][/SUP]
• September 3, 2012 – The body of Kyra Cordova, a 27-year-old trans woman, was found in a wooded area in Frankford, Philadelphia.[SUP][177][/SUP]
• November 15, 2012 – Janette Tovar, a 43-year-old trans woman was murdered by her partner, Jonathan Kenney, according to police, who beat her and slammed her head into concrete. He was later arrested for her murder.[SUP][178][/SUP]
• March 1, 2013 – Sondra Scarber addressed a parent about her girlfriend's son being bullied at Seabourn Elementary School in Mesquite, Texas, and was beaten by him when he realized that she was a lesbian.[SUP][179][/SUP]
• May 17, 2013 – Mark Carson, a 32-year old black gay man,[SUP][180][/SUP] was shot to death by another man who trailed and taunted him and a friend as they walked down the street in Greenwich Village, New York. When the two friends ignored the assailant's questions, the man began yelling anti-gay slurs and asked one of them, "You want to die tonight?" Elliot Morales, 33, was arrested briefly after the shooting and charged with murder and weapons charges on May 19.[SUP][181][/SUP] According to police, Morales said he shot Carson because he was "acting tough".[SUP][182][/SUP] Morales pleaded not guilty on June 19, 2013.[SUP][183][/SUP]
• November 4, 2013 - Sasha Fleischman, an 18-year-old who identifies as genderqueer (neither male nor female), had their skirt set on fire while they were sleeping on an AC Transit bus in Oakland, California. Police arrested 16-year-old Richard Thomas and charged him as an adult with aggravated mayhem, assault by means likely to produce great bodily injury, and hate-crime enhancements. Thomas admitted to police that he had started the fire and that he did it because he was "homophobic."[SUP][184][/SUP]

I'll let those interested in such dig into the details and see if any of the murderers or assailents might be Christians, who go to churches with strong anti-gay leanings.

Now, to put this all in perspective, the FBI is saying there are 14 hate crimes per day against gays in the US. That's 5,110. Assuming an average of 2 attackers per incident (A number I pulled from thin air), that puts the number of asshat Christians ignorant enought to get violent at 10,220. The US Population is 320,000,000. At least half identify as Christian. Meaning 160,000,000.
Meaning 159,989,780 Christians did not kill, beat, assault, vandalize or otherwise "hate" gays that year.

Its always better to have an excuse for the jury no matter how far fetched. "I killed him cause I could just sounds bad"

Also half the ones listed have no connection to religion. Just because a Gay person is killed doesn't mean it was because they were gay. We had a Gay man killed last year by his boy friend in a heated domestic. So is that a hate crime too?

 

[ballen0351]

they might not have thrown the first (or any) stone, but even 'mild mannered' Christians have been heard to utter the phrase 'they should be shot' in regard to gay people....

Who?

 

[granfire]

Who?

My dear sweet mother-in-law far starters...yep, good Christian lady...wanted to shoot Melissa Etheridge...for being queer....

 

[ballen0351]

Study your history. Many of the founding fathers were Atheist and Deist. That whole pesky seperation of church and state thing.

The Middle eastern countries.were based on Islamic principals as well. But we're sure trying to change that due to crimes against human rights aren't we. Countries evolve as do their people.

You might want to study yours"

George Washington:
"I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean [i.e., comport] ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation."

Read more: http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/12117#ixzz2oMTcslkr

Thomas Jefferson"
It is in our lives and not our words that our religion must be read.

Ben Franklin at the Constitutional Convention:
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest. I therefore beg leave to move-that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that Service

[h=1]Samuel Adams Proclamation[/h]Commonwealth of Massachusetts

By the Governor

A Proclamation

For a Day of PUBLIC FASTING, HUMILIATION and PRAYER

THE supreme Ruler of the Universe, having been pleased, in the course of His Providence, to establish the Independence of the United States of America, and to cause them to assume their rank, amount the nations of the Earth, and bless them with Liberty, Peace and Plenty; we ought to be led by Religious feelings of Gratitude; and to walk before Him, in all Humility, according to His most Holy Law. - But, as the depravity of our Hearts has, in so many instances drawn us aside from the path of duty, so that we have frequently offended our Divine and Merciful Benefactor; it is therefore highly incumbent on us, according to the ancient and laudable practice of our pious Ancestors, to open the year by a public and solemn Fast. - That with true repentance and contrition of Heart, we may unitedly implore the forgiveness of our Sins, through the merits of Jesus Christ, and humbly supplicate our Heavenly Father, to grant us the aids of His Grace, for the amendment of our Hearts and Lives, and vouchsafe His smiles upon our temporal concerns:

Read more: http://www.revolutionary-war-and-be...clamation-february-28-1795.html#ixzz2oMVB4VfH

 

[ballen0351]

My dear sweet mother-in-law far starters...yep, good Christian lady...wanted to shoot Melissa Etheridge...for being queer....

Then she is also a sinner as are all of us

 

[Tames D]

why are we talking about this AT ALL?

Because it is MUCH more interesting than peppermint bark.

 

[Tgace]

So the Spanish Inquisition was secular?

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/the-truth-about-the-spanish-inquisition

This image of the Spanish Inquisition is a useful one for those who have little love for the Catholic Church. Anyone wishing to beat the Church about the head and shoulders will not tarry long before grabbing two favorite clubs: the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. I have dealt with the Crusades in*”The Real History of the Crusades
.” Now on to the other club.

Despite popular myth, the Church did not burn heretics. It was the secular authorities that held heresy to be a capital offense. The simple fact is that the medieval Inquisition*saved*uncounted thousands of innocent (and even not-so-innocent) people who would otherwise have been roasted by secular lords or mob rule.

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[granfire]

Because it is MUCH more interesting than peppermint bark.

I tell BALLEN!!!!

that's in the lounge anyhow!

 

[ballen0351]

Because it is MUCH more interesting than peppermint bark.

BAN HAMMER NOW:feedtroll:redeme::moon:

 

[granfire]

Then she is also a sinner as are all of us

Naturally, but a self-righteous one...and that's the problem, right.
The ones who think their sins are justified....

 

[ballen0351]

Naturally, but a self-righteous one...and that's the problem, right.
The ones who think their sins are justified....

We are human after all

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Its always better to have an excuse for the jury no matter how far fetched. "I killed him cause I could just sounds bad"

Also half the ones listed have no connection to religion. Just because a Gay person is killed doesn't mean it was because they were gay. We had a Gay man killed last year by his boy friend in a heated domestic. So is that a hate crime too?

Actually, I think it is listed that way. Hey, I have the choice of wading through each case and looking for the religion tie ins, OR editing photos from the bodypaint shoot I did on Sunday. I'm choosing #2 here.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

We are human after all

Speak for yourself. I'm Klingon. I've got the commission paperwork to prove it.

 

[ballen0351]

Speak for yourself. I'm Klingon. I've got the commission paperwork to prove it.

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