What do you consider spiritual?

Everything can be fixed, but it won't always be fixed in the way that we want it.

an interesting view...reflecting what might seem to be a western respective.

For contrast

(Chapter 29)

將欲取天下而為之,吾見其不得已。天下神器,不可為也。為者敗之,執者失之。是以聖人無為,故無敗;無執,故無失。

"Those who wish to take control of the world and act upon it, I see that they will not succeed.
The world is a sacred vessel, not to be acted upon.
Those who act on it will fail.
Those who hold on to it will lose it.

Therefore, the sage does not act and thus does not fail; He does not hold on and thus does not lose."

"wu wei" (無為)"
"non-action" or "effortless action"
 
an interesting view...reflecting what might seem to be a western respective.

For contrast

(Chapter 29)

將欲取天下而為之,吾見其不得已。天下神器,不可為也。為者敗之,執者失之。是以聖人無為,故無敗;無執,故無失。

"Those who wish to take control of the world and act upon it, I see that they will not succeed.
The world is a sacred vessel, not to be acted upon.
Those who act on it will fail.
Those who hold on to it will lose it.

Therefore, the sage does not act and thus does not fail; He does not hold on and thus does not lose."

"wu wei" (無為)"
"non-action" or "effortless action"
I'm pretty sure my view is not a Western View.

"Western thought is that everything can be fixed as they see believe it should be." I'm of the mindset that things can be fixed, but it's not always to our liking or agreement. "Everythig can be fixed......" as I see it understands that we sometimes do more harm "Fixing Stuff." I'm also of the mindset that the element of the fix is sometime horrible but necessary
 
Wouldn't it be something that others would note, rather than what one thinks is or is not?

Not to say either way is better, only noting the differences according to what one posts,
contrasted with other cultural ideas and belief systems.
Only if the differences that are perceived are accurate.
 
Muggeridge:
“The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.”

That collection plate sends people all over the world, in places most would not chose to go, to help people few even think about.

Help in what way? But bless them for helping.
 
Have you seen that Youtube clip of the disgusting Muggeridge and some bishop attempting to chastise John Cleese and Michael Palin for ‘Life of Brian’?


They presented the most facile of arguments and tried to overwhelm Cleese and Palin who respectfully held back, for the most part.They said several times that LoB would soon become a forgotten film 😆🤣

Although ‘married’, Muggeridge was a womanising, heavy drinking, drug taker, who, in mortal fear, became a ‘born again’ when he was nearing the end of his life. This bishop was aware of child sexual abuse but turned a blind eye to as many did and still do.
 
Have you seen that Youtube clip of the disgusting Muggeridge and some bishop attempting to chastise John Cleese and Michael Palin for ‘Life of Brian’?


They presented the most facile of arguments and tried to overwhelm Cleese and Palin who respectfully held back, for the most part.They said several times that LoB would soon become a forgotten film 😆🤣

Although ‘married’, Muggeridge was a womanising, heavy drinking, drug taker, who, in mortal fear, became a ‘born again’ when he was nearing the end of his life. This bishop was aware of child sexual abuse but turned a blind eye to as many did and still do.
So he knows of what he speaks. I never said I worshipped the man or even liked him. Do you only learn from those with whom like and agree with 100%. Like King David that had a man killed in order to be with that man’s wife and lived a debauched lifestyle or the Apostle Paul who chased down Christians to have them tortured and killed, they were confronted, they repented and although flawed became men of God, saved by grace. Grace, if you don’t know, is getting what you don’t deserve! Muggeridge was a controversial character that brought out strong emotions. You really can’t understand the man in snippets. I wouldn’t try to understand you that way either. 😁
 
I view spirituality as a mission statement for your individual life and how to accomplish it; whether it be organized religion, philosophy, or science. I think it is up to the individual to choose what is spiritual for them. I have practiced Korean arts for decades and have come across some practices here and there that may be considered spiritual in Korea, but to me they are just tradition.
 
So he knows of what he speaks. I never said I worshipped the man or even liked him. Do you only learn from those with whom like and agree with 100%.
No of course not, but should anyone take moral lessons from someone who’s only moral now because of his fears of judgement in the afterlife?
Like King David that had a man killed in order to be with that man’s wife and lived a debauched lifestyle or the Apostle Paul who chased down Christians to have them tortured and killed, they were confronted, they repented and although flawed became men of God, saved by grace.
King David? Watch at least the first 5 minutes of this. Professor (now) Francesca Stavrakopoulou is one of the world’s leading Biblical scholars and historical experts.
Grace, if you don’t know, is getting what you don’t deserve! Muggeridge was a controversial character that brought out strong emotions. You really can’t understand the man in snippets.
I don’t want to understand such a man, thank you very much. There are better people I’d chose to listen too.
I wouldn’t try to understand you that way either. 😁
Oh you have no chance of doing that, I can assure you 😉
 

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