Unarmed Florida Teen Shot

[granfire]

Wow i need to find a better app to type that was bad sorry im using my phone

could have been worse...could have been autocorrect.....

 

[zDom]

It's also a lie.

It is also TRUE.

At a local level in Southeast Missouri there has been in the last 20 years only ONE instance in which
a black community was out in the streets calling for justice:

When a white cop shot a black mentally disabled man.

Murders happen all the time between rival groups of young black men (Skrillas often involved). Nobody in the streets.

Of course, what none of the people in the street told me about the incident when I was there interviewing them,
was that the mentally disabled man had first hurled a rock into the window of a police cruiser, ran into a house,
and when he came out was waving a short sword and landed a cut on the police chief.

After two hits with tasers he came at them again with the sword which was when the man was shot.

I didn't hear about a sword from any of the dozen of black people out in the street telling me the guy was executed by police.

Yes, there are good people out there rightfully protesting the real violence problem — but there are plenty of black racists who
only protest when someone of another race kills one of their own. And when that happens: it IS racism, regardless of the other more reasonable protests.

 

[Wo Fat]

Really? Because i was actually at a homicide this weekend. Guy was shot on a busy basketball court at about 9 pm. Prob close to 30 people there its located in a city owned housing project. Sad thing is all these concerned people you speak of somehow didnt see anything. In fact one comment i got was F that N he was a snitch he got what was coming to his B azz. Even sadder the guy wasnt an informant at all. So ill be waiting to see these protests in the streets but im pretty sure they wont be coming. But then again some of the famous stop snitchibg dvds were filmed a short few miles from thia murder amd i didnt see to manybpeople worried about the dvds either.

Seems that your orientation and primary exposure to Black and Brown people is usually in the context of crime and violence. In other words, you seem to be acquainted with the lesser of Black and Brown people than with the majority (good, decent, educated, law abiding) of us.

 

[granfire]

Seems that your orientation and primary exposure to Black and Brown people is usually in the context of crime and violence. In other words, you seem to be acquainted with the lesser of Black and Brown people than with the majority (good, decent, educated, law abiding) of us.

He's a cop.
Most of his interaction with any color people is through the less desirables of society....
However sine we are discussing race here and the injustice the 'brown people' experience, I suppose it's interesting to see how the 'community' reacts on a black on black crime.
Screw justice for that brother....don't snitch, don't talk to the po-po....

Do explain that to a little white girl from another part of the world.

 

[ballen0351]

Seems that your orientation and primary exposure to Black and Brown people is usually in the context of crime and violence. In other words, you seem to be acquainted with the lesser of Black and Brown people than with the majority (good, decent, educated, law abiding) of us.

I work with and am good friends with many people of all races. I also served with many minoritys in the USMC. Ive also spoked with several of my minority friend and they ALL said the protests for Martin were an insinciere Jokes.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Mod Note:

Just a preemptive note here. "Race" discussions can get heated. Lets keep it in the area where official moderator involvement is not needed.
It would be appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[Wo Fat]

I work with and am good friends with many people of all races. I also served with many minoritys in the USMC. Ive also spoked with several of my minority friend and they ALL said the protests for Martin were an insinciere Jokes.

Proper respect for serving. No props for playing the "'ALL' my minority friends say ..." card.

Your personal knowledge, opinions, acquaintence and views of "minorities" is what it is. Your writings speak it. Just own it.

 

[Sukerkin]

Careful now, gentlemen. That sword cuts both ways, so let's not see any blood here.

Listen to what Cap'n Bob said above and bear it in mind when your fingers hit the keyboard.

 

[ballen0351]

I could have said ALL my friends but i dont think you care abiut what my white friends think. But i have yet to meet anyone i know as a friend that didnt feel that way. Martins death was tragic and totally preventable had both martin and zimmerman thought about there actions but they didnt. I have seen more dead kids and i consider Martin to be a kid hr has not yet lived his life nor have most of the murder victims ive seen. I just wish people would take some of this "outrage" and actually try and do some good with it instead of just seeking revenge. In the end Zimmerman will go to jail and the crowds will go home and Martin will be forgotten and nothing will change. Ill still be responding to young kids shot to death and nobody will care until some new case pops up whrre the "fake" rage will show up and al sharpton sees a way to make money.

Proper respect for serving. No
props for playing the "'ALL' my minority friends say ..." card.

Your personal knowledge, opinions, acquaintence and views of "minorities" is what it is. Your writings speak it. Just own it.

 

[ballen0351]

Careful now, gentlemen. That sword cuts both ways, so let's not see any blood here.

Listen to what Cap'n Bob said above and bear it in mind when your fingers hit the keyboard.

I dont believe either of us are looking for blood just trying to have an honest conversation.

 

[Wo Fat]

I dont believe either of us are looking for blood just trying to have an honest conversation.

Agree. Just working through a rough spot in a complex discussion.

 

[ballen0351]

Proper respect for serving. No props for playing the "'ALL' my minority friends say ..." card.

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I also dont organize my friends by race or sex. My friends are just that my friends. They come in all colors, religions, and sexes. I only singled out my friends for the post because you said I see minorities in a neg light do to my job. Thats not the case at all. I can say if anything my job has tainted my view towards ALL people. I have a total distrust of pretty much everyone regardless of race. I have a unique position of being hated by all groups as well. Im accused of profiling and harrassment when I arrest a black male, a white male, hispanic male, and females of all prior groups. Im called a racist when I go into the "black" neighborhoods and my personal fav "Why dont you go lock up a real criminal like a murderer and drug dealer in the black neighborhoods and leave us hard working white people alone" when I arrest white people. Hispanics claim Im only looking for illegals and am picking on them. Fact is I dont care what color you are I enforce the law to the best of my ability and just want to do my job. Ive got it easy compared to the crap black officers get. Ive heard some really vile things said to them by other black people in the community. One of my real good friends grew up in a city housing project and became an officer. Hes a really great officer because he knows everyone but he takes more crap because everyone knows him also. It gets so bad it pisses me off and they are not even saying it to me.

 

[shesulsa]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and try to shake the tree a little.

I think I know what you're talking about when you use the term "fake rage," but contest it and call it something else: Lemming rage.

Lemming rage is incredibly intoxicating, contagious and highly employed by virtually anyone with a chip on his/her shoulder. It is marked by the use of strong, emotional language to evoke baser feelings on topics rather than using reason. Everyone with a cause to forward uses it for their draw. I'm guilty of doing it myself.

I think people in Lemming Rage are experiencing moments they feel to be genuine because ... they feel it. Some partake in actions incited by Lemming Rage because they don't know what else to do or feel guilty not doing anything, so this seems as good as anything else. Some people make noise just because making noise is what they think needs to be done, pure and simple.

I think their emotion for the situation is real, but perhaps whether the emotion is pointed in the right direction is suspect.

Not to judge anyone you refer to in your posts, ballen0351, but I wonder what people who sit and do nothing for social causes feel like they ARE doing to help the situation? Sometimes doing nothing is called for, but there does seem to be a turn in the tide to a long-lasting ebb in social awareness and action. Whilst we flail about with our efforts as a nation on this, perhaps we are seeing the very beginnings of a wake which could bring about a healing tide.

Just a thought.

 

[Wo Fat]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and try to shake the tree a little.

I think I know what you're talking about when you use the term "fake rage," but contest it and call it something else: Lemming rage.

Lemming rage is incredibly intoxicating, contagious and highly employed by virtually anyone with a chip on his/her shoulder. It is marked by the use of strong, emotional language to evoke baser feelings on topics rather than using reason. Everyone with a cause to forward uses it for their draw. I'm guilty of doing it myself.

I think people in Lemming Rage are experiencing moments they feel to be genuine because ... they feel it. Some partake in actions incited by Lemming Rage because they don't know what else to do or feel guilty not doing anything, so this seems as good as anything else. Some people make noise just because making noise is what they think needs to be done, pure and simple.

I think their emotion for the situation is real, but perhaps whether the emotion is pointed in the right direction is suspect.

Not to judge anyone you refer to in your posts, ballen0351, but I wonder what people who sit and do nothing for social causes feel like they ARE doing to help the situation? Sometimes doing nothing is called for, but there does seem to be a turn in the tide to a long-lasting ebb in social awareness and action. Whilst we flail about with our efforts as a nation on this, perhaps we are seeing the very beginnings of a wake which could bring about a healing tide.

Just a thought.

It's an interesting thought. And to some, it probably does apply. Take for instance, the Tea Party during it's hey day. Do we need our government to get its financial and ethical house in order. For sure. Were that many people really concerned about the deficit (or even know what the deficit is)? Probably not. Still, their actions of mass protest and agitation made the right people in Washington take note and pay closer attention.

But whether it's the Tea Party or a civil rights group, both seem to have studied Dr. King's philosophy of focusing (very public) attention to things that need it. Take a look at his Letter from the Birmingham Jail. Not to call attention to the obvious, but to comprehend his deep and intellectual rationale. It's amazing when you think about it.

Now, nobody can compare to MLK in terms of his depth, and character.

 

[Wo Fat]

I also dont organize my friends by race or sex. My friends are just that my friends. They come in all colors, religions, and sexes. I only singled out my friends for the post because you said I see minorities in a neg light do to my job. Thats not the case at all. I can say if anything my job has tainted my view towards ALL people. I have a total distrust of pretty much everyone regardless of race. I have a unique position of being hated by all groups as well. Im accused of profiling and harrassment when I arrest a black male, a white male, hispanic male, and females of all prior groups. Im called a racist when I go into the "black" neighborhoods and my personal fav "Why dont you go lock up a real criminal like a murderer and drug dealer in the black neighborhoods and leave us hard working white people alone" when I arrest white people. Hispanics claim Im only looking for illegals and am picking on them. Fact is I dont care what color you are I enforce the law to the best of my ability and just want to do my job. Ive got it easy compared to the crap black officers get. Ive heard some really vile things said to them by other black people in the community. One of my real good friends grew up in a city housing project and became an officer. Hes a really great officer because he knows everyone but he takes more crap because everyone knows him also. It gets so bad it pisses me off and they are not even saying it to me.

I can appreciate and respect that.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

The phrase we are all genteelly struggling to find is 'angry mob'. Angry mobs are stupid and violent. Made up of people who are individually not stupid or violent, when whipped into a frenzy by the media and told what to be angry about, they lose their collective minds and behave like complete morons. As is happening now.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19348_the-5-most-embarrassing-things-angry-mobs-have-rioted-over.html

Enough of being nice in describing the evil that mobs do. Mobs hang people. Mobs burn down buildings. Mobs attack police. Mobs demand 'justice' and if the mob doesn't feel they have it, they administer it themselves. And later, no one will admit having been a member of the mob in question. Oh, I didn't haul that man out of the jail and hang him from a tree officer. The ANGRY MOB did that.

If you stop being a tool of the media, you stop being a member of an angry mob, virtual or physical. But if you're sucked into it, yes, you're stupid and violent. Own it.

 

[Wo Fat]

Whew. Glad I'm an educated, uppity man who's critical of media.

 

[ballen0351]

Its like the saying People are stupid. A person is not.

The phrase we are all genteelly struggling to find is 'angry mob'. Angry mobs are stupid and violent. Made up of people who are individually not stupid or violent, when whipped into a frenzy by the media and told what to be angry about, they lose their collective minds and behave like complete morons. As is happening now.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19348_the-5-most-embarrassing-things-angry-mobs-have-rioted-over.html

Enough of being nice in describing the evil that mobs do. Mobs hang people. Mobs burn down buildings. Mobs attack police. Mobs demand 'justice' and if the mob doesn't feel they have it, they administer it themselves. And later, no one will admit having been a member of the mob in question. Oh, I didn't haul that man out of the jail and hang him from a tree officer. The ANGRY MOB did that.

If you stop being a tool of the media, you stop being a member of an angry mob, virtual or physical. But if you're sucked into it, yes, you're stupid and violent. Own it.

 

[ballen0351]

Whew. Glad I'm an educated, uppity man who's critical of media.

You dont come across as critical of the media. All your "facts" on the case are coming from the media you bit hook line and sinker on the racist coon comments and now the media has backed off that along with several other "opps" moments that have happened with the media on this case.

 

[billc]

Here is a look at the paperwork filed by the states attorney in the case. If the article is accurate, it may be a bumpy road to the courtroom...

http://pjmedia.com/blog/walking-papers-the-incredibly-thin-speculative-zimmerman-affidavit/

Last week, Florida prosecutor Angela Corey stunned many within the legal establishment when she announced her office was filing a second-degree murder charge against George Zimmerman. The four-page affidavit of probable cause filed by Corey’s office shocked legal experts, ranging from liberal Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz and liberal law blogger Jeralyn Merritt to conservative former prosecutor Andrew McCarthy and talk show host Mark Levin, among others.

The affidavit starts out typically, listing the names and qualifications of the two investigators used by the special prosecutor. It then begins to build a case against George Zimmerman:

On Sunday 2/26/12, Trayvon Martin was temporarily living at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community in Sanford, Seminole County, Florida. That evening Martin walked to a nearby 7-11 Store where he purchased a can of iced tea and some Skittles. Martin then walked back to and entered the gated community and was on his way back to the townhouse where he was living when he was profiled by George Zimmerman. Martin was unarmed and was not committing a crime.
AdvertisementNot one paragraph into the “meat” of the affidavit, Corey’s team already made two unsubstantiated claims.



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First: there is no publicly known evidence that supports the contention that Zimmerman “profiled” Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman’s 911 call made no reference to skin color or apparel until the police dispatcher started pressing for a better description. If Corey’s team had evidence that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin, they should have included it here. They did not, which not only undermines the profiling charge in this case, but in any federal civil rights case the U.S. Department of Justice may have been considering.

The second unsubstantiated claim: They say Martin was not committing or preparing to commit a crime. Zimmerman became suspicious because he saw a figure who struck him as a person casing houses for burglary potential. Unbeknownst to Zimmerman at the time was the fact that Martin had been suspended from school for the possession of a “burglary tool.” We don’t know what Martin was thinking, but his actions were erratic enough to prompt George Zimmerman to want police to investigate.

That represents a lot of unsubstantiated speculation by a prosecutor trying to build an affidavit to support a second-degree murder charge, and that’s just from the first substantive paragraph.

The next troublesome claim is the lead sentence of the following paragraph:

Zimmerman, who also lived in the gated community and was driving his vehicle, observed Martin and assumed he was a criminal.
​

Perhaps it is hair-splitting, but there is no evidence to support Corey’s claim that Zimmerman assumed Martin was a criminal. In his first comments on the 911 call, Zimmerman claims he saw “a real suspicious guy” acting erratically: “Like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about.”
Zimmerman was merely reporting suspicious behavior, just as our own Department of Homeland Security advocates with its “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign, which has been created and promoted by cabinet officials appointed by the Obama administration. Zimmerman saw someone acting suspiciously, and did precisely what DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano wants citizens to do in that situation.
The prosecutor then made another claim not supported by the recorded evidence:

The police dispatcher then informed Zimmerman that an officer was on the way and to wait for the officer.
​

The second half of that claim is a complete and apparently willful misrepresentation of the conversation between George Zimmerman and the police dispatcher. The closest the dispatcher ever gets to telling Zimmerman to “wait for the officer” was when Zimmerman was attempting to follow Martin, and the dispatcher told him, precisely: “Okay, we don’t need you to do that.”

Angela Corey’s team is misrepresenting the actual events as they occurred in order to fabricate a claim that George Zimmerman disobeyed police orders. Proving her behavior is one matter, but to be found deliberately misrepresenting the evidence is certainly grounds for considering disbarment.

The affidavit contained further problematic statements. The next one:

During the recorded call Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, Zimmerman stated “these a**holes, they always get away” and also said “these ********** punks.”
​

John Work, a multi-decade law enforcement veteran, caught something in this prejudicial paragraph that I’d missed on my first reading:

Either Zimmerman and the investigators who wrote the affidavit knew there had been burglaries in the neighborhood, or they did not know about any burglaries. It’s not possible to credibly say that anyone, including the defendant, felt that crimes had been committed. If, in fact, there was or was not a series of unsolved burglaries in that neighborhood, the cops should have included that fact in the affidavit. It’s a lie of omission, either way.
​

Corey’s affidavit then made even more unsubstantiated claims:

Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and followed Martin. When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him. Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home.
​

The affidavit’s claim is in direct opposition to the facts as recorded on the 911 call.

The affidavit also makes the completely unsupported claim at the end of that paragraph that Martin “was trying to return to his home.”

There is no evidence of the sort. The timeline strongly suggests that — having evaded Zimmerman initially and with Zimmerman terminating his pursuit and then heading back the way he came — Martin had plenty of time and a direct, unobstructed path home had he chosen to return directly home. We don’t know where Martin was or what he was doing between the time he fled Zimmerman and when the confrontation began. What we do know is that Martin had an opportunity to make it home, and chose not to do so for reasons we may never know.

This is going to be a rough case in the courtroom and those who really want him convicted of "something" may be disapointed, just by looking at this article.