Training Wing Chun?

[APL76]

Tan-da sau can be a forward wedging movement, or a rotating movement using a turning stance. Either, if done properly, will generate good power. It's true that rotation combined with forward intent can add more power, but you don't need to rotate more than 45° to generate heavy striking power ...in Wing Chun or any other form of boxing! In fact, really good practitioners can generate power with very small movements.

We are talking about generating short power. It's found in many fighting arts. I also learned methods of achieving this from GM Rene Latosa a renowned Escrima and Filipino "dirty boxing" instructor. While it's true that BIG movements with a lot of follow-through can generate a lot of power, they are easier to see coming and require more commitment. There's always a trade off.

Wing Chun and other southern short-bridge Chinese boxing methods generally favor compact movements that don't have a lot of wind up and follow-through. Big movements just don't work that well up close and inside.

On the other hand, big movements do make sense at longer distances, and also up close in grappling and throwing arts where unified, full body power is essential. But this is different from "boxing" or percussive arts IMO.

I'd agree with everything you said, but also add couple of things.
Firstly, one can train larger rotating movements as a form of overtraining, then reduce them in application.
Secondly, big movements that project a lot of force, or power, are far easier to reel and take advantage of. They leave the person doing them vulnerable.

 

[wckf92]

Firstly, one can train larger rotating movements as a form of overtraining, then reduce them in application

Agreed. This is how I was trained.

 

[ShortBridge]

@Xue Sheng I am glad that you are enjoying your training!

 

[Xue Sheng]

Had another class, I was the one used for demoing things to the class today, I am really enjoying this, more than any other Wing Chun School I have been at.

It has been suggested by my Sifu that I now start training Siu Lim Tao on one leg... Do the form on the left, then the right for leg strengthening.

 

[wckf92]

Had another class, I was the one used for demoing things to the class today, I am really enjoying this, more than any other Wing Chun School I have been at.

It has been suggested by my Sifu that I now start training Siu Lim Tao on one leg... Do the form on the left, then the right for leg strengthening.

Awesome!!! Single leg training is highly beneficial IMO.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I am not trying to disparage the other Wing Chin schools I have trained at, but this one is giving me the feel of XIngyiquan training, rather traditional, and I like it... a lot. Doing pole shaking, which I did do with Chen, but I never knew it was in Wing Chun. It is a bit different in Chen, but I like it. Doing stance training (one leg standing) did that in Chen and Xingyiquan (not one leg, but static stances) Applications, a lot of them, what everything in Siu Lim Tao can be used for. As well as some iron palm training, and arm hardening training. Even got an application that comes from Chum Kiu, and I have not yet learned Chum Kiu. THe appilication just flowed naturally from the application of Lan Sau. And the discussions about feeling what your opponent is doing, and not using so much muscle, remind me a a lot of Taijiquan.

I got none of this at the other schools, I got Siu Lum Tao, that was all. I was trained well in Siu Lum Tao. But got no other detail

I am enjoying the heck out of this. Once the kids are back in college, I think I will try and get there twice a week.

 

[Callen]

I am not trying to disparage the other Wing Chin schools I have trained at, but this one is giving me the feel of XIngyiquan training, rather traditional, and I like it... a lot. Doing pole shaking, which I did do with Chen, but I never knew it was in Wing Chun. It is a bit different in Chen, but I like it. Doing stance training (one leg standing) did that in Chen and Xingyiquan (not one leg, but static stances) Applications, a lot of them, what everything in Siu Lim Tao can be used for. As well as some iron palm training, and arm hardening training. Even got an application that comes from Chum Kiu, and I have not yet learned Chum Kiu. THe appilication just flowed naturally from the application of Lan Sau. And the discussions about feeling what your opponent is doing, and not using so much muscle, remind me a a lot of Taijiquan.

I got none of this at the other schools, I got Siu Lum Tao, that was all. I was trained well in Siu Lum Tao. But got no other detail

I am enjoying the heck out of this. Once the kids are back in college, I think I will try and get there twice a week.

All that sounds really positive, congratulations. I hope that you can continue to increase your class time and benefit from this experience. There's a lot of depth to the Wing Chun system when it is supported by a well-thought-out curriculum.

 

[Xue Sheng]

last class, I was watching the mirror while training and had this thought...who is that old uncoordinated goofball...oh wait...its me.... after todays class I can honestly say I am HORRIBLE at Wing Chun...... but I will keep going back.....

 

[Xue Sheng]

Great class last week. Sifu has a background in Hung Gar, so we were working on Qinna with Shuaijiao that can be applied within Wing Chun...... and I still think I look like an old uncoordinated goofball though

 

[windwalker099]

A low-cost, hand-made PVC dummy

Might be a DIY project to help in your training..

 

[Xue Sheng]

A low-cost, hand-made PVC dummy

Might be a DIY project to help in your training..

Thanks, but I will be getting a wooden one soon.

 

[Xue Sheng]

day started with a dentist appointment and a filling. Came home, numb, and had nothing else to do so I went down stairs and worked on Sil Lum Tao, Selfdefense drills, strikes and kicks on heavy bag..... then taijiquan and xingyiquan.

not surprising, but I am seeing similarities between the few drills I did in JKD, and the SD drills in Wing Chun

 

[APL76]

last class, I was watching the mirror while training and had this thought...who is that old uncoordinated goofball...oh wait...its me.... after todays class I can honestly say I am HORRIBLE at Wing Chun...... but I will keep going back.....

EXACTLY what I feel like every time I watch the mirror while training.

Actually feels good to be not so alone.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Started learning the Mook Yan Jong form..... I think I'm becoming a Wing Chun guy

 

[Xue Sheng]

Just a note
It is possible that Wing Chun has displaced Xingyiquan as my addiction.....

 

[ShortBridge]

I'm glad that it's working out for you!