Tang Yik Dummy Form
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Not my best performance! Sifu Tang would say I still have too many "Wing Chun-isms". 
He does the form with much more speed and power. In Tang Yik Weng Chun the dummy is seen as a way to develop power...much like a boxer working the heavy bag.
He does the form with much more speed and power. In Tang Yik Weng Chun the dummy is seen as a way to develop power...much like a boxer working the heavy bag.- Thread Starter
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Not my best performance! Sifu Tang would say I still have too many "Wing Chun-isms".
Interesting. Is something like this more representative of what Sifu Tang would look for in the form?
Not that I am anyone to speak about the Shaolin Weng Chun dummy form but is his posture not a little forward leaning with a lack of alignment at his core? Just curious as it can be argued both for and against but still for this type of training I would probably not prefer it. Then again I do not practise Shaolin Weng Chun and as such by opinion is void already.
What's going on from 1:13-1:18? Reminds me of Silat or some of the FMA stuff we do. Not anything like the WC I've experienced. Kinda interesting!
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Yes! And the beginning he bobs up and down a little too much, but he is putting in more power. This is Ignatius Siu's son, Chu Chong Man lineage.
Nope! In Weng Chun the posture varies between straight up and down as in Wing Chun and a forward posture with alignment of "toes, knees, & nose" similar to Hung Kuen. In this forward posture you still use centerline theory and techniques in the same way, and it is a very strong structure for putting out forward pressure/power.
Wrong again! Why do you always have something negative to say when it comes to anything other than Ip Man Wing Chun?
Gwai Ma! Ku Lo Pin Sun Wing Chun and Weng Chun both have this "hanging stance" that allows for several things.....it is a level change to go under a kick or to strike low with power without leaning over, it is a way to drop down on an opponent that has fallen on the ground, and it is a way to add downward power to various Chin Na techniques.
Ho Kam Ming/Augustine Fong lineage.....didn't have it. William Cheung lineage....didn't have it. I do have Wayne Belanoha's books where he documents Moy Yat lineage in great detail....doesn't have it. I have Randy Williams' original book series that goes into great detail....doesn't have it. Now some may give it a brief nod in their Knife form, but don't make use of it in an empty-hand context at all.
I never saw those moves in any of the WT forms that I learned (I never learned the last 2/3 of the BCD). We did train gwai-ma (similar to 1:13 and 1:14 in the video above) and used it to pin and control a downed opponent with our knees. However, I never saw a bent-over, crouching move like what is shown at 1:15 and 1:16 in WT or other YM WC though.
Like I said...not my best performance!
Probably bending over too much in order to do the strike.Vajramusti
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KPM was not in the Fong lineage long enough to make generalizations about all of Ip Man wing chun. The Ho/Fong Ip Man lineage makes a distinction
between form and application. Some of KPM's moves would be applications not form. In Ip Man wc one can
do many things as applications. Ip Man trimmed many applications out so that the form can be worked on. Sure one can dip down to adjust to a specific circumstance. It would be ok just to call it a Tang Yik form. Without a context- dipping down low could be risky.
Agreed, in my experience of YM VT, form is about core principles, structure, and concepts. That's why the forms are trimmed down compared to some other lineages and other styles of TCMA.
And I also agree that re applications, context is everything. In the right context, I can imagine some good applications for KPM's moves. Whether they belong in the form is not my concern since that's not my lineage!
