Sport vs. Street

[Gerry Seymour]

Not all street fights are necessarily, mutually agreed upon, next.

Then you and I are using the term differently. To me, that's what a "street fight" is. If you're including fighting to defend against an attack, that will explain part of our disagreement.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

No technology exist yet where each cop can pull over and ticket more than 1 car at a time.

Yes, but they could pull one at random. Or spend every possible moment pulling one over. Yet, they do not. They let many pass who are only speeding a little, and wait for someone who is speeding more.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Willing to kill? Have you ever beaten the hell out of someone before? Usually when they're done... they'd go into fetal position and cover up. Or they just get knock the F out and lie there motionless. Are you saying that you're willing to, say, stomp on the head of an unconscious man, on the ground, repeatedly until his skull cracks and brain oozes out so he'd die? Or something like that? Is this what, "willing to kill" means? Why can't you just walk away after the KO?

Otherwise, you're just throwing strikes to the best of your capabilities, up the point where the fight/conflict, ceases....and a KO is almost a guaranteed stoppage in the street, which makes it sound really a lot like a sports fight in the ring.

Willing to kill doesn't mean willing to kill in every circumstance. I think his point was that he's willing to kill if it is necessary. Thankfully, it almost never reaches that point.

 

[Martial_Kumite]

 

[Paul_D]

That was my point in my earlier post. There's an overlap in the physical skills. Most of the physical skills used in competition have application in defensive use.

There is an overlap yes, we just disagree on the amount of that overlap.

 

[Transk53]

Are you serious? "A TKD kick"? This is almost like saying, "I train UFC"...but usually when people say it, they're joking about it and especially when not trying to make a technical argument.

Which is related to the point you were originally trying to argue in what way?

Yeah both of these. You really do miss the point, and yeah you seem to like the soind of your own voice.

 

[oaktree]

Willing to kill is a mindset and an attitude, every fight I go into I go in with the possibility that me or my opponent may be killed.
Thinking that my opponent may stop or is aim isn't to kill me is a foolish assumption, even unintended he still may kill me.

 

[CB Jones]

This might be the craziest thread I have read on Martial Talk to date.

 

[Martial_Kumite]

This might be the craziest thread I have read on Martial Talk to date.

I have read crazier, but this one is definitely one of the most heated I have seen. (not in a good way).

 

[CB Jones]

Video of my last fight.

 

[Martial_Kumite]

Video of my last fight.

OH MAY GOSH, WHO DID YOU FIGHT.

and how are you reading this thread without a head?

 

[Paul_D]

Not all street fights are necessarily, mutually agreed upon, next.

Then they are not fights, they are assaults.

 

[CB Jones]

and how are you reading this thread without a head?

I have transcended my body achieving ultimate enlightenment... of course

 

[Transk53]

Then they are not fights, they are assaults.

I assume the reference is to gang culture where they polish their tools a lot.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

There is an overlap yes, we just disagree on the amount of that overlap.

My assertion is that most techniques that are usable in hard competition (using MMA as a reasonable example) will find application in self-defense. They may require alteration, but they'll still be useful. That's the overlap I see - nearly everything from one side can be used in the other. Of course, there's a fair amount that can be useful for self-defense that doesn't really have a home in competition, and that's most of the non-overlap in physical skills.

 

[FriedRice]

Her is a video of a former TKD champion using a kick to disable an aggressor. Say what you will, but it looked like it hurt.

What am I saying, do you know?

 

[Paul_D]

My assertion is that most techniques that are usable in hard competition (using MMA as a reasonable example) will find application in self-defense. They may require alteration, but they'll still be useful. That's the overlap I see - nearly everything from one side can be used in the other. Of course, there's a fair amount that can be useful for self-defense that doesn't really have a home in competition, and that's most of the non-overlap in physical skills.

Ah, now this is different. Now you are talking about techniques.

Before you were talking about skills.

If we are talking about techniques then yes I'd agree more with you there.

 

[Transk53]

My assertion is that most techniques that are usable in hard competition (using MMA as a reasonable example) will find application in self-defense. They may require alteration, but they'll still be useful. That's the overlap I see - nearly everything from one side can be used in the other. Of course, there's a fair amount that can be useful for self-defense that doesn't really have a home in competition, and that's most of the non-overlap in physical skills.

You are probably right in that. The overlap though, just is another tool, and not one to be taken as consciousness thought. I mean if one is stupid enough to think a fancy kick is in order, the overlap is a window of opportunity. Yes a person can learn SD, yes a person can learn to fight, but the deire is another thing. Overlap in skills, there is no overlap.

 

[FriedRice]

Which is related to the point you were originally trying to argue in what way?

That the LEO's honored a statute that they perceived to have existed, and therefor enforced it, which is their job.

 

[FriedRice]

Then you and I are using the term differently. To me, that's what a "street fight" is. If you're including fighting to defend against an attack, that will explain part of our disagreement.

Well since you admitted to not having watched the video that you're directly making an argument about, then how is what you're saying, credible?