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I actually have found it to be the other way around. People who don't look atheletic often surprise people how atheletic they are.
In front of Hai Tung Monastery, Wong set up an elevated stage known as a leitai to accept challenges from any and all comers. Over the course of eighteen days, he defeated over one hundred and fifty challengers. “Either the challenger was maimed or killed,” noted Chin. “He never let one challenger leave his school without injury.
No and yes.Do you think. fighting is a healthy sport ?
Fighters condition for "health"
For the most part it's still the same. It's just people focus more on the training aspects and not the fighting aspects. It's like training boxing and doing everything a boxer does except the sparring and fighting. That is still health activity.CMA of old was much the same,
fighting was the primary concern, not health.
Every kung fu guy who has come though our school has not been able to finish our conditioning.People who do aerobics are fit. My brother is fit he does cross state races, cycling races, muay thai, wrestling, BJJ and marathons. He's built like a Spartan. He does a few minutes of some of my kung fu drills and he feels it. A shuffle drill that I do is enough to burn those muscles that he doesn't use.
You are welcome to try my kung fu conditioning workout.
People will always amaze me and shift my reality on what I thought I knew. Things that we thing are the exception are often shown to be more common than we thought.
If I was forced to place a bet:To begin with, strength and endurance are always good, and a certain level of fitness is needed in any MA endeavor.
As far as this discussion goes regarding weight and cardio training being useful in MA, the extent this is true depends on the purpose of the MA one is training. IMO, the following is a fair general summation:
Competition - Cardio is important as it involves extended output of energy thru multiple rounds or matches. Then there is muscular endurance allowing many reps at high speed. Strength comes into play if there is grappling.
Self-Defense - These kinds of situations are usually short lived so extended endurance is not the main concern. Energy is expended in short bursts. Strength is only needed to allow one's biomechanics to deliver a technique effective in injuring the opponent by strikes or for a bit of grappling control.
Self-Development - There are many varieties of this, so the level of strength and cardio needed may be low to high depending on the individual's personal goals.
Weight training can/should be tailored to facilitate MA technique from a martial artist's point of view. (EDIT- as I see JowGaWolf just mentioned) Core training (abs and lower back) is at the top of my list for both striking and grappling arts. Depending on the fighting system other strength areas may be stressed.
I think the main conditioning can come from just doing the MA in a vigorous and dedicated manner. Cardio and weights play a supporting (but helpful) role.
Of course they do. They can't fight sick right? They just don't train only for health purposes. But health plays a really big role in being able to fight. My healthiest point of my Jow Ga Kung Fu was when I was training for competition.Fighters do not condition for "health"
they condition for fighting, regardless of health concerns...
MMA fitness is not the same as "learn to do a form fitness" I keep telling you guys that the fitness requirement of one activity doesn't always translate into the fitness requirement of another activity. You have just pointed out an example of how the athleticism of one active did not benefit them when it came to MMA. Which is what I've been saying. Just because you lift weights, and run doesn't mean that it's going to be of benefit in doing another activity.Every kung fu guy who has come though our school has not been able to finish our conditioning.
They just are not fit.
You would lose that bet; Twins look the same, but they do have differences. One twin may be more naturally aggressive than the other.If I was forced to place a bet:
Two young men, both born on the same day. They're the same height, and have the same reach (i.e., neither have a reach advantage). Neither have ever trained in martial arts, and this is the first fight for both of them.
These, and all other factors being equal with the exception of physical fitness, my money is on the more physically fit one.
Charlie Zelenoff is the one who is more physically fit. The senior citizen gets the best of him and Charlie can't handle the reality. So he throws the sucker punchIf I was forced to place a bet:
Two young men, both born on the same day. They're the same height, and have the same reach (i.e., neither have a reach advantage). Neither have ever trained in martial arts, and this is the first fight for both of them.
These, and all other factors being equal with the exception of physical fitness, my money is on the more physically fit one.
Exactly. That's a good example of what I'm trying to point out.There's something to be said when you lift weights all the time, then go to a MA class and the next day have things sore and hurting you didn't know you have.