Six Harmonies in Wing Chun

[Wing Woo Gar]

I probably should have known this was in Wing Chun, since I have been in CMA for over 390 years, abnd I have dealt with this before in Xingyi, Bagua, Taiji...but I simply did not know it was part of Wing Chun too..

The Six Harmonies – A Path to Wing Chun Mastery​

Also found this interesting

The Four Stages of Competence​

It’s foundational in Wing Woo Gar as well.

 

[APL76]

What attack? I have not said anything new that this article hasn't said yet.

the first fist form does not see any stepping -> beginners don't get chance to train 6H (during the 1st form training time).

This concept is not one that is typically understood by the Wing Chun student as they work through the Sil Lim Tao form, as the basic front-facing stance (Yee gee kim yeung ma) used in the first fist form does not see any stepping. However, it is possible to introduce the concept so the student can think about the stationary positions of the three external harmonies relative to each other in the static, front-stance. Furthermore, this is something that can be introduced to the student in 5-point stepping – where the basic structure being developed in Sui Lim Tao can start to be moved around by the Wing Chun student. It is something that becomes necessary to train in and develop a much deeper understand of in the Chum Kiu form.

This is probably a fair comment for a lot of Wing Chun. It doesn't apply to all Wing Chun though.

Certainly, in Sum Nung Wing Chun, it'd be unusual for a beginner to go near Sui Lum Tao for a few years if they learned the traditional way.

Before learning any of the standard 6 forms a beginner would move through Sup Yi Sik. Many of the drills in Sup Yi Sik inculcate all the coordination you are talking about.

 

[O'Malley]

I like Six Harmonies, but I think Camilla is better off as a solo artist.

 

[O'Malley]

More seriously, the model is interesting (and I like KFW's second gif as well.

At least, in this video, you can clearly see the elbow/knee coordination.

- elbow bend, knee bend.
- elbow straight, knee straight.

Now for the controversial question: do you coordinate hand/elbow/shoulder with the foot/knee/hip from the same side (right with right), or from the opposite side (right with left), and why?

And I also don't see 6H in the Siu Lim Tao video, but I guess you could try to do it in a way that reflects 6H.

 

[Xue Sheng]

What attack? I have not said anything new that this article hasn't said yet.

the first fist form does not see any stepping -> beginners don't get chance to train 6H (during the 1st form training time).

This concept is not one that is typically understood by the Wing Chun student as they work through the Sil Lim Tao form, as the basic front-facing stance (Yee gee kim yeung ma) used in the first fist form does not see any stepping. However, it is possible to introduce the concept so the student can think about the stationary positions of the three external harmonies relative to each other in the static, front-stance. Furthermore, this is something that can be introduced to the student in 5-point stepping – where the basic structure being developed in Sui Lim Tao can start to be moved around by the Wing Chun student. It is something that becomes necessary to train in and develop a much deeper understand of in the Chum Kiu form.

Now your talking specifically about sil lum tao.... originally you were talking about the entire system...... see below

WC is not the proper system to train 6H. A beginner needs to learn how to coordinate foot with hand. But the 1st WC form lets the beginner to stand still and only move arms without moving the feet.

The difficult training level can be:

foot coordinate with hand < knee coordinate with elbow < hip coordinate with shoulder

WC doesn't give beginners an easy training form even for "foot coordinate with hand".

That was an attack on the system and I suspect you had not even read the article at that point. By the way, have you read it yet? and I mean read, not just skim

If in fact Sil Lum Tao does not teach the 6 harmonies the like @wckf92 posted, it is basics.... so going after the entire system based on sil lum tao is like going after an elementary school child who only knows basic math because they can't do calculus... and that would be very wrong.....

Now, you and I have gone at it over taijiquan, and I still maintain you don't know taijiquan. I also still maintain you do know a lot about shuaijiao.... but that also means you are not a Niejia person and you are a Waijia person and I suspect Neijia training is not something you approve of, this by the way is your opinion, not fact that. So just because you don't like something, does not make it wrong.

Now I do not have the background in Wing Chun to argue against what you are saying, but I am fairly sure you are not correct in your overall assessment of the style.

What I do know is Taijiquan and what I do know is Chen style silk reeling, and if you knew that you would know stepping is not required to work on the 6 harmonies. Chen silk reeling has statinary training that is HYPER focused on the 6 harmonies. Therefore stepping is not required at all. So sil lum tao not having stepping is irrelevant as it applies to the 6 harmonies

My experience in wing chun is only in Sil Lum Tao, and I do work with the 6 harmonies, However I an wiling to admit it may be due to my taijiquan background.