Siu Lim Tau Comparison

[guy b]

Not sure I understand what you mean by no strategic approach in boxing. Different ways of teaching yes, but to say no strategy is idiotic.

I didn't say no strategic approach in boxing. I said that it lacks a strategic approach as VT (i.e. a single strategic approach, systematic organisation), i.e. VT is a real TCMA system, western boxing is not.

 

[guy b]

How about at least one instance of a good WSLVT guy easily handling a good western boxer??

I'm assuming you guys have multiple clips of your branches easily handling good Western Boxers using your methodologies.

Can we see a few of them?

Otherwise, by your logic, shouldn't you also be better off doing Western Boxing, since you have an even broader arsenal but aren't effectively neutralizing Western Boxing on a consistent basis?

You certainly have quite a selective use of "logic."

Yes, I have to suspend logic to follow your line of thought

No. I don't think you ever really try to follow anyone's line of thought other than your own. That has become pretty clear on this forum.

Lol KPM you have no shame. You are literally incapable (or unwilling) to follow a reasonable argument

 

[geezer]

To get back on track, it is fair to say that there are a variety of approaches to Western boxing, and indeed there are a variety of approaches to WC/VT ...which is what this thread was about, at least until it started down that old rabbit hoe again. Sure, WSL-VT is one particular branch of WC/VT ...but that is not what we were talking about!!!!

Is it possible to discuss WC/VT without it becoming all about WSL-PB-VT?

 

[KPM]

Lol KPM you have no shame. You are literally incapable (or unwilling) to follow a reasonable argument

Wow! What is the old saying?...."that's like the pot calling the kettle black"!!

 

[Transk53]

I didn't say no strategic approach in boxing. I said that it lacks a strategic approach as VT (i.e. a single strategic approach, systematic organisation), i.e. VT is a real TCMA system, western boxing is not.

Well, yeah another answer with a slight point. We know Western boxing is not CMA, please refrain from picking on it lol.

 

[Transk53]

To get back on track, it is fair to say that there are a variety of approaches to Western boxing, and indeed there are a variety of approaches to WC/VT ...which is what this thread was about, at least until it started down that old rabbit hoe again. Sure, WSL-VT is one particular branch of WC/VT ...but that is not what we were talking about!!!!

Is it possible to discuss WC/VT without it becoming all about WSL-PB-VT?

One can dream. Not sure about the rabbit and the hoe though lol.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Is it possible to discuss WC/VT without it becoming all about WSL-PB-VT?

So far it looks like it's impossible to do that.

 

[JowGaWolf]

One can dream. Not sure about the rabbit and the hoe though lol.

what?!?! you don't have one of those?

 

[Transk53]

what?!?! you don't have one of those?

Sorry, just a bit of filthy humour on my part.

 

[Nobody Important]

To get back on track, here are Yip Man's sons Yip Chun & Yip Ching performing SNT.

 

[Nobody Important]

Here is another. I'm not sure on the lineages but I think they are, from left to right, Yuen Kay San, Mai Gei Wong and Yip Man. Not the best representations but good enough to see some stylistic variations.

 

[KPM]

I think 1 & 3 are both Yuen Kay Shan/Sum Nung lineage. #2 I'm not sure about. But I have video of Wong Nim Yi, haven't watched it awhile, but #2 doesn't look familiar. Definitely none of the above are Ip Man lineage!

 

[Juany118]

I just watched the video again and I noticed that the TWC guy on the right does the same thing (lifting the bong sau) at 4:14.
Are there any TWC people here who could shed some light on that?

I'll rewatch it with the time in mind but like I said that seems modified. I study with the SLT I linked in response to that as it's taught by GM Cheung and his closed door student Keith Mazza. There are some clear differences that I hope to get some clarification on next weekend. That said the Bong Sau sequence seemed right but I need to watch it again.

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[Vajramusti]

To get back on track, it is fair to say that there are a variety of approaches to Western boxing, and indeed there are a variety of approaches to WC/VT ...which is what this thread was about, at least until it started down that old rabbit hoe again. Sure, WSL-VT is one particular branch of WC/VT ...but that is not what we were talking about!!!!

Is it possible to discuss WC/VT without it becoming all about WSL-PB-VT?

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Who is on first? A messy thread again. I don't see our slt in the choices and I don't do the others.Western boxing has varieties and so does wing chun. The individual is an important variable. Geezer did you get my invitation to come and visit? Last week would have been a good time.

 

[Nobody Important]

I think 1 & 3 are both Yuen Kay Shan/Sum Nung lineage. #2 I'm not sure about. But I have video of Wong Nim Yi, haven't watched it awhile, but #2 doesn't look familiar. Definitely none of the above are Ip Man lineage!

#3 definitely not YKS , movements appear very close with Yip Man branch, I believe that the video says from Canton. #2 still looks like Mai Gei Wong to me.

 

[guy b]

Here is a modified SLT from Michael Kurth which emphasises what is important about the form from the point of view of YM VT (or WSL VT if you prefer)

 

[guy b]

Basic form:

 

[JowGaWolf]

Here is a modified SLT from Michael Kurth which emphasises over and over what is important about the form from the point of view of YM VT

What are you referring to in that video?

 

[geezer]

Here is a modified SLT from Michael Kurth which emphasises what is important about the form from the point of view of YM VT (or WSL VT if you prefer)

Yes thanks, I do prefer the clarification provided by the label WSL VT, seeing as many different branches use the name YM-VT.

BTW do you know how this highly modified version of SNT is used in Sifu Kurth's curriculum? Is it used instead of the basic WSL version of the YM SNT set, as an advanced set, or perhaps just as an additional exercise to emphasize certain elements of the standard set?

 

[KPM]

Here is a modified SLT from Michael Kurth which emphasises what is important about the form from the point of view of YM VT (or WSL VT if you prefer)

Interesting! Is this his creation? Or Phillip Bayer's?