If you say push the arm, I think push the arm. Why blame me?
What you describe sounds exactly like what is shown in the videos on the Cutting Punch thread. Not sure why everyone is avoiding that one...
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If you say push the arm, I think push the arm. Why blame me?
What you describe sounds exactly like what is shown in the videos on the Cutting Punch thread. Not sure why everyone is avoiding that one...
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In description, yes. In application as to that video, no. He is chasing the arm and has at times a flared elbow, better off to block then attack if that's how they are going to approach it.
The elbow should be as it is when you throw a straight punch. And never focus on the incoming arm to apply a gate punch. The punch goes to it's target not the arm. The redirection of their punch from their line of attack is a byproduct of the gate punch. It is a secondary action, the primary action is the punch.
Systems are broken when they are inconsistent/incoherent, not when they are different to WSL VT
This is KPM's excluding punch you are talking about?
Then why so unsure about what KPM is doing in his video clip with the excluding punch?
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No I am talking about the video LFJ posted in the Cutting Punch thread.
What about the punch in KPM's clip?
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I'm not unsure. I said I'll let him clarify. It was the descriptions I was unsure of. I'm only speaking to my gate punches.
This entire conversation seems very colluded. Why isn't it being discussed in the Cutting Punch thread? I suspect there would be less confusion. Until a couple of minutes ago, I didn't even know there was a thread for this topic. Perhaps you all should take your conversation there.
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I didn't see what I would refer to as gate punching there. There we're elements of it, but it wasn't applied in the manner I would consider a true gate punch. That being said, I also don't want to speak for KPM. He knows more about what he is doing than I do. I'll only speak to YCW WC.
Is the difference between the two (inside and outside gate punch) just the angle at which you throw the punch then, relative to the incoming punch, or are you doing something else to wedge them out one way or the other?
We're discussing elbow, which is what SNT is all about, though the idea is missing in other lineages I've observed.
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Dude...if you're concerned about it, then go invent "kung fu wangs wing chun" and do what you want.
But to say it is missing in YM's WC is a gross misunderstanding and lack of comprehensive knowledge of WC.
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No the difference is your punch in relation to the opponents forearm being above or below yours. A gate punch should not be deliberate IMO, it should occur as a byproduct. To deliberately try and stop/divert his punch by punching would be arm chasing. A gate punch is a punch that, as a secondary action, intercepts their arm. You do not aim for their arm, you aim for your target. It's not a technique I would count on. Best to let it naturally occur.
This conversation really belongs in the other thread, despite it's tenuous links to SNT. Is that not why the other thread was created? Specifically for this topic.
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Does footage of this gate punch exist on the internet?
But it's the same regardless? Meaning no elbow concepts.
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Ah! Thanks! I had forgotten I had covered it on that clip! But no, you are wrong. Watch it again at 3:19. Look at the elbow. There is a difference between "touch & go" and the "excluding punch". As I wrote before, the excluding punch is much more like a Jum Sau that goes forward. The elbow is down and in and driving the motion. It is not "wrist-led" because the wrist is already past the point of contact. There most certainly is an "elbow idea" here. You think you can "see" an idea so easily on a video clip????
Sorry Alan. But you misinterpreted what I was doing. Watch the clip again. The whole clip. The excluding or cutting punch does not have a Pak Sao before the punch.
