Shotokan for self defence.

[Tez3]

Name one MMA fighter who got it in the cage.

One of our fighters has PTSD, not from fighting in MMA but because as a medic in Iraq he had to deal with a situation where service people were burnt to death, he throws up now if he smells bacon cooking. He finds martial arts and fighting helps with the stress. he likes the rules of MMA comps, that he will be stopped if it looks like he'll hurt someone. It's quite the opposite he finds of his ordeal in that he knows the outcome...a win, loss or draw without anyone dying or being seriously hurt, he likes the discipline and the sportsmanship he finds among fighters, no one judges him. He likes that there's no hatred only a competitive spirit between him and his opponent. All in all not traumatic for him, it's more of a comfort zone

 

[drop bear]

Ask a shrink.

Why do some jaws break easier than others?

That doesn't make the punch any less powerful.

But there has to be "traumatic stress" to cause PTSD.

Common SD situations are common causes i.e. rape, assaults, stabbings, etc. You can find many people suffering from PTSD after that.

Name one MMA fighter who got it in the cage.

If MMA was traumatic stress like rapes, assaults, and stabbings we'd have a considerable amount of fighters with PTSD.

When thousands of people suffer from PTSD from the same events, and you can't give us one record a single fighter getting it it's hard to claim it holds the same amount of stress as Rapes, Assaults, etc.

who knows?

Ptsd is not an indicator of how great the trauma was.

 

[drop bear]

No ego involved. You two try to equate the ring with SD. We're telling you they are two different things. And you can't judge one by the other. So in a 'challenge' you have to have each person abide by their training. The BJJ guy trains for one, unarmed opponent who plays by the rules, gets to tap out if the going gets too tough, gets a time out to catch his breath, gets some advice from his corner guys in addition to being prepped for the next round and all of it takes place on a nice soft, dry, level mat. And let's not forget the protective equipment so they don't injure their hands or testicles. Well I don't train with all of your fluffy luxuries. And I don't have to abide by your rules. And I don't need your protective gear. And I don't require your soft, padded flooring. And I don't have to spar to be effective, I have life and actual/practical experience instead as well as an understanding of viable training methods that you and Hanzou don't have.

Do you spar?

 

[drop bear]

One of our fighters has PTSD, not from fighting in MMA but because as a medic in Iraq he had to deal with a situation where service people were burnt to death, he throws up now if he smells bacon cooking. He finds martial arts and fighting helps with the stress. he likes the rules of MMA comps, that he will be stopped if it looks like he'll hurt someone. It's quite the opposite he finds of his ordeal in that he knows the outcome...a win, loss or draw without anyone dying or being seriously hurt, he likes the discipline and the sportsmanship he finds among fighters, no one judges him. He likes that there's no hatred only a competitive spirit between him and his opponent. All in all not traumatic for him, it's more of a comfort zone

This is fair enough too.

 

[drop bear]

I find it ironic that you mention this after you post videos like these:

Two different things.

 

[Drose427]

One of our fighters has PTSD, not from fighting in MMA but because as a medic in Iraq he had to deal with a situation where service people were burnt to death, he throws up now if he smells bacon cooking. He finds martial arts and fighting helps with the stress. he likes the rules of MMA comps, that he will be stopped if it looks like he'll hurt someone. It's quite the opposite he finds of his ordeal in that he knows the outcome...a win, loss or draw without anyone dying or being seriously hurt, he likes the discipline and the sportsmanship he finds among fighters, no one judges him. He likes that there's no hatred only a competitive spirit between him and his opponent. All in all not traumatic for him, it's more of a comfort zone

Its awesome he found something that helps him cope! One of my cousins got it bad, and like many service members the first outlet she went to was addiction. She had it rough her first year back. Eventually she got it together got her degree and joined the peace corps. Shes spent more time in Ukraine than home since her discharge.

One of our guys at my dojang works at the veterans hospital in my area. Hes always trying to get them to come train for those reasons exactly

who knows?

Ptsd is not an indicator of how great the trauma was.

If there was any real traumatic stress in MMA we'd see at least one fighter getting it from the cage by sheer volume of practitioners alone........

If MMA had the same psychological stress and impact as "fight for your life" SD situations, it would have the same repercussions, dangers, and affect on the mind.

It simply doesnt.

 

[drop bear]

If there was any real traumatic stress in MMA we'd see at least one fighter getting it from the cage by sheer volume of practitioners alone........

If MMA had the same psychological stress and impact as "fight for your life" SD situations, it would have the same repercussions, dangers, and affect on the mind.

It simply doesnt.

Are all sd fight for your life?

 

[Drose427]

Are all sd fight for your life?

obviously not, but thats what im referring to.

But again, if these situations consistently cause PTSD, but MMA does not, its hard to argue theyre equally traumatic and stressing.

 

[Kong Soo Do]

Do you spar?

Are you serious? Or are you admitting you haven't read any of my posts/replies to you?

 

[drop bear]

obviously not, but thats what im referring to.

But again, if these situations consistently cause PTSD, but MMA does not, its hard to argue theyre equally traumatic and stressing.

That's the thing if you are arguing that the worst possible thing that can happen to a person is worse than a ring fight. Then yeah no brainer.

 

[drop bear]

Are you serious? Or are you admitting you haven't read any of my posts/replies to you?

if you don't spar of course you don't need mats rules and protective gear.

 

[OldKarateGuy]

You act as if I'm the first person in the history of martial arts to discard forms/kata from practice.

I've done kata, so I'm hardly ignorant of it. I simply believe that it's an obsolete method of training. Your mileage may vary.

Hanzou is certainly not the only experienced karateka to have this opinion, including some very good fighters. Personally, I don't get it, and I think you deny yourself an important part of the experience, maybe the that whole spiritual/mental feeling of the art (if you're into that), but no one can deny that some seriously dangerous people feel the very same way. No need for a lack of respect either way. In those immortal words...You work your side of the street, I'll work mine. Or something.

 

[Jaeimseu]

This is a wild thread. I can't believe you are still at it.

Maybe I've missed something, but what does PTSD have to do with training methods? I don't think anyone is in fear of being raped or killed while training bunkai or while sparring.

In relation to the OP, my opinion would be that Shotokan is sometimes useful for self defense, similar to just about any form of MA training.

 

[Flying Crane]

You assume training in BJJ and Judo is easy to find, clearly you don't live in the country where finding any martial arts is difficult as is decent transport anywhere...

Well at the least he assumes that everyone WANTS to train BJJ, but that simply isn't true. For me, I simply have no interest. Zero. Zip. None. Plenty of schools around here, but it's not for me. Hanzou can't understand that. It blows his mind. But there are many things in life, and in the martial arts, that he simply does not and can not and never will, understand. It's the way of things.

 

[RTKDCMB]

I've done kata, so I'm hardly ignorant of it.

Just because you have done it, doesn't mean you understand it.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Two different things.

One is like a challenge match, the other we don't know what it is.

 

[Steve]

I think the lack of Ptsd in MMA is a function of the overall supportive atmosphere regardless of the background of the student. It's less,to,do,with the training or violence as the general atmosphere of respect in most MMA gyms.

 

[drop bear]

obviously not, but thats what im referring to.

But again, if these situations consistently cause PTSD, but MMA does not, its hard to argue theyre equally traumatic and stressing.

that is still relying on the idea that ptsd is consistent to the level of trauma suffered. And I don't see how it is.

Because we can have identical incidents where one person suffers ptsd and another does not.

But i really was here comparing incidents that were similar to what would be faced in the ring rather than the worst incidents we can think up.

SD has a pretty large spectrum.

 

[drop bear]

I think the lack of Ptsd in MMA is a function of the overall supportive atmosphere regardless of the background of the student. It's less,to,do,with the training or violence as the general atmosphere of respect in most MMA gyms.

I was going to suggest that. Or that a mental toughening process occurs or even that it is an environment where ptsd is less likely to be reported.

I mean as a side there is almost no work related mental illness in the security industry. Which has nothing at all with the threat you would get fired if you tried to claim it.

 

[drop bear]

One is like a challenge match, the other we don't know what it is.

One is an actual fight. And one isn't. If i say i want to fight you but we both must be riding grizzly bears then i don't really want to fight you.