Shotokan for self defence.

[RTKDCMB]

Here's the thing, folks. Hanzou engages in a bankrupt method of debate that is often seen in politics. His goals and needs do not include proving his position to be correct. His interests are met if he can simply sow doubt. So all he needs to do is sit there and say, "huh-uh, does not" and then he sits back while others scramble around doing a bunch of work to prove your point in contrast to that. His position requires zero actual work on his part. He doesn't need to hunt down any real evidence to support his position of denial. All he needs to do is repeats various renditions of "I don't believe it" and then throw out some shallow talking point. And then everyone else scrambles around all over again to pile up more evidence to show him where he is wrong. To which he again simply states, "I don't believe" and he throws out another reference to mma and ufc. It's nonsense. We used to see this style of debate a lot back when the site still had political discussions in The Basement.

So I just gotta ask: why does anyone care what hanzou thinks? He's obviously of no consequence in the world of martial arts and in your real lives. Given the track record of debates in which he has engaged, why would anyone care what he thinks? Why does anyone continue to respond to his bating?

It's good to practice arguing for your position. Watch the following video:

 

[drop bear]

People who spar for living spar?

I never would have guessed

People who fight for a living spar.

Mostly.

 

[drop bear]

For example, sport based BJJ or MMA (where the goal is to submit a single opponent, using a specific rule set, in an artificial environment) isn't good training for the job or general self defense

ok a sample mma fight. How would this be considered bad self defence?

 

[Kong Soo Do]

And what about Kata bunkai, and kata? Would you say that that's good training for the job or self defense?

I've said so a multitude of times. This is one of the methods I employ when I teach off duty professionals.

 

[Kong Soo Do]

ok a sample mma fight. How would this be considered bad self defence?

How many times does the same thing need to be repeated? Do self defense situations have a weigh in, photo op, referee, gloves and cups, a rule set, time outs, tap outs, only single opponents that obey the rules, soft surface that's flat, dry and level with no opportunity to escape, evade, de-escalate or use an improvised weapon?

 

[Kong Soo Do]

Cops carry guns,tazers and made. That is a big factor.

I know cops and they dismiss hand to hand based on that.

Then you know cops that are not very experienced, seasoned or wise.

 

[Drose427]

How many times does the same thing need to be repeated? Do self defense situations have a weigh in, photo op, referee, gloves and cups, a rule set, time outs, tap outs, only single opponents that obey the rules, soft surface that's flat, dry and level with no opportunity to escape, evade, de-escalate or use an improvised weapon?

no, but its full contact!

......Until an official decides one party is in real danger........Or someone taps.....

 

[Hanzou]

I've said so a multitude of times. This is one of the methods I employ when I teach off duty professionals.

So prancing/dancing around in solo patterns is a better for self defense practice than sparring/rolling/randori training?

Hilarious.

 

[drop bear]

How many times does the same thing need to be repeated? Do self defense situations have a weigh in, photo op, referee, gloves and cups, a rule set, time outs, tap outs, only single opponents that obey the rules, soft surface that's flat, dry and level with no opportunity to escape, evade, de-escalate or use an improvised weapon?

This is one of the stupidest things I've seen posted in a long, long time. Someone is trying to hurt you. You stop them. How is that NOT self defense

 

[Drose427]

So prancing/dancing around in solo patterns is a better for self defense practice than sparring/rolling/randori training?

Hilarious.

Again You prove you don't understand bunkai or how to practice it....

And you say you were a shodan?

That's hilarious

 

[Hanzou]

Again You prove you don't understand bunkai or how to practice it....

And you say you were a shodan?

That's hilarious

Considering that several highly effective arts don't have kata or bunkai, does one really need to understand it?

 

[drop bear]

no, but its full contact!

......Until an official decides one party is in real danger........Or someone taps.....

untill one party can no longer fight back.

Do you feel there is an important part of self defence that progresses past that?

Fighting back after you are unconscious or continuing to bash them when they are?

 

[RTKDCMB]

The majority of people who fight professionally and competitively.

Fighters who fight fighters. These are the guys who given time to prepare in the best manner possible. Prepare in a certain way.

Stands to reason.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Someone else being in danger isn't a self defense situation. Self defense means YOU are in danger.

No, it is a self defense situation for the one getting attacked and anyone who steps in to defend them.

 

[drop bear]

Then you know cops that are not very experienced, seasoned or wise.

And yet they manage to be police officers all the same.

The system isn't justified because cops do it.

 

[Drose427]

Considering that several highly effective arts don't have kata or bunkai, does one really need to understand it?

If youre a high ranking student in a style that does... thats been proven effective in MMA which according to you is one of the best ways to judge effectiveness.... than yeah understanding thems pretty important....

untill one party can no longer fight back.

Do you feel there is an important part of self defence that progresses past that?

Fighting back after you are unconscious or continuing to bash them when they are?

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Because a street assailant is going to stop kicking your head in because your eye wont stop bleeding.

Or because he feels you arent hitting back enough

or because you tap out.

Fighting knowing you have an easy out is a far cry from fighting when nobody will help you.

Its a completely different effect on the mind.

How many boxing matches have been ended because one party went down too much even if they get back up every time?

I supposed an assailant will just stop trying to kill me until I stand back up....

How many MMA matches has a ref ended because a fighter got hit in the liver and was completely conscious but was unable to stand and fight?

I suppose an assailant will just go the other side of the alley in that instant...

 

[RTKDCMB]

So prancing/dancing around in solo patterns is a better for self defense practice than sparring/rolling/randori training?

Hilarious.

If you are prancing/dancing around to do your pattern then you are doing it wrong. How about doing a waltz with your partner inside a cage?

 

[Drose427]

And yet they manage to be police officers all the same.

The system isn't justified because cops do it.

you realize how easy it is to become a cop dont you?

takes less than a semester of training in most academies, with only some hand to hand which is oriented around grappling/takedowns with little full on freesparring. That hardly gives them "strong fighting ability" yet most are able to defend themselves or subdue a suspect with hand to hand

 

[drop bear]

If youre a high ranking student in a style that does... thats been proven effective in MMA which according to you is one of the best ways to judge effectiveness.... than yeah understanding thems pretty important....


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Because a street assailant is going to stop kicking your head in because your eye wont stop bleeding.

Or because he feels you arent hitting back enough

or because you tap out.

Fighting knowing you have an easy out is a far cry from fighting when nobody will help you.

Its a completely different effect on the mind.

How many boxing matches have been ended because one party went down too much even if they get back up every time?

I supposed an assailant will just stop trying to kill me until I stand back up....

How many MMA matches has a ref ended because a fighter got hit in the liver and was completely conscious but was unable to stand and fight?

I suppose an assailant will just go the other side of the alley in that instant...

how do you change your fighting tactics to compensate for that?

 

[drop bear]

you realize how easy it is to become a cop dont you?

takes less than a semester of training in most academies, with only some hand to hand which is oriented around grappling/takedowns with little full on freesparring. That hardly gives them "strong fighting ability" yet most are able to defend themselves or subdue a suspect with hand to hand

well then I should just do a semester of police training and i will be sorted for self defence right?

And not even worry about achieving"strong fighting ability"

 

[drop bear]

If youre a high ranking student in a style that does... thats been proven effective in MMA which according to you is one of the best ways to judge effectiveness.... than yeah understanding thems pretty important....


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Because a street assailant is going to stop kicking your head in because your eye wont stop bleeding.

Or because he feels you arent hitting back enough

or because you tap out.

Fighting knowing you have an easy out is a far cry from fighting when nobody will help you.

Its a completely different effect on the mind.

How many boxing matches have been ended because one party went down too much even if they get back up every time?

I supposed an assailant will just stop trying to kill me until I stand back up....

How many MMA matches has a ref ended because a fighter got hit in the liver and was completely conscious but was unable to stand and fight?

I suppose an assailant will just go the other side of the alley in that instant...