Shotokan for self defence.

[Drose427]

Ok your claim was that the military teaches a kill or be killed attitude that gives them an edge in a fight.

And i don't Think it does because there are plenty of people out there who are trained in strong mental attitude that is every bit as effective as what you get in the military.

And kill or be killed as an attitude sounds a lot better in theory than in practice.

I have fought guys who have had a kill or be killed attitude that were not mentally tough. One does not equal the other.

I didnt say that it gives them in edge.

Not once.

I said it was a big, one of the biggest, parts of their training.

Youre putting words in my mouth for the sake of argument.

 

[drop bear]

I didnt say that it gives them in edge.

Not once.

I said it was a big, one of the biggest, parts of their training.

Youre putting words in my mouth for the sake of argument.

really?

So are you saying it doesn't give them an edge?

 

[RTKDCMB]

He knew his stuff and could back up his words back in the 70's then he started his nonsense of no touch

No-touch is real, as soon as you tell people you can do no-touch knockouts no one wants to touch you.

 

[RTKDCMB]

You mean like this?

That's a more realistic method than free sparring?

Except that is not free sparring.

 

[RTKDCMB]

dearl(the other guy) was one of our guys. Incapacitation is a real risk in sparring.

Which one is the other guy?

 

[RTKDCMB]

This is different from these:

The first one is engage, retreat, reengage, the other two are stand and trade, they are distinctly differerent.

 

[Hanzou]

This is different from these:

The first one is engage, retreat, reengage, the other two are stand and trade, they are distinctly differerent.

I'm talking about the movements. There's no complex blocking or anything that you would find in the kata. It's just generally punching and kicking. In competitions,mi can see why you wouldn't see a throw, or a lock. However you should expect to see those movements in sparring if they're being trained effectively.

 

[Tez3]

There's no complex blocking

What is 'complex' blocking?

I think you missed the memo sent out repeated times that kata is for self defence, sparring is not self defence it's, well, sparring.

 

[Hanzou]

What is 'complex' blocking?

I think you missed the memo sent out repeated times that kata is for self defence, sparring is not self defence it's, well, sparring.

I never said that sparring is self defense. I'm saying that sparring should reflect your fighting style, because its you performing techniques against a resisting opponent. If you don't spar, you don't develop your fighting ability.

 

[Tez3]

I never said that sparring is self defense. I'm saying that sparring should reflect your fighting style, because its you performing techniques against a resisting opponent. If you don't spar, you don't develop your fighting ability.

Ooops, you 've missed it again, you are muddling up things. You don't get it do you despite being told numerous times on here and presumably were taught something when you did karate. We didn't say we didn't spar btw. I don't think frankly I have the patience to explain, sparring, kata, bunkai etc etc to you again. It's discouraging because we are trying to explain what we do but constantly you troll and twist things that are said, it seems a personal mission to you to keep having a go at karateka. You seem to take it upon yourself to try to upset karateka on here, constantly harrying posters, posting contentious statements to try to goad into arguments. It's as if you want the thread to be closed. Why do you hate karate and it's practitioners so much that you goad, troll and generally try to wind people up?

 

[Kong Soo Do]

I never said that sparring is self defense.

I'm glad you didn't, because it isn't.

If you don't spar, you don't develop your fighting ability.

Utter rubbish

Reality demonstrates quite effectively that you're wrong.

 

[RTKDCMB]

What is 'complex' blocking?

That is when your blocks have a real part and an imaginary part that is it's conjugate (math humor).

 

[RTKDCMB]

I'm talking about the movements. There's no complex blocking or anything that you would find in the kata. It's just generally punching and kicking. In competitions,mi can see why you wouldn't see a throw, or a lock. However you should expect to see those movements in sparring if they're being trained effectively.

They are both competition sparring.

 

[RTKDCMB]

There must be a word for a statement like that, a lollipop to the first one to come up with a description of that sentence.

Nonsensical.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Karate grappling:

 

[drop bear]

Which one is the other guy?

the one who got ko,ed by eli Madigan.

 

[RTKDCMB]

the one who got ko,ed by eli Madigan.

And he is from your gym?

 

[Hanzou]

They are both competition sparring.

Sparring for belt promotion purposes is not.

 

[Hanzou]

I'm glad you didn't, because it isn't.

Utter rubbish

Reality demonstrates quite effectively that you're wrong.

So if someone never learns timing, how to manage someone's pressure or weight, or how to take a hit, they'll be fully capable of fighting someone off of them in a bad situation?

 

[Kong Soo Do]

So if someone never learns timing, how to manage someone's pressure or weight, or how to take a hit, they'll be fully capable of fighting someone off of them in a bad situation?

You are assuming that sparring is the only way to gain these skills. Bad assumption.