Sarah Palin for President?

[Big Don]

i would love to hear how it is any different.

Those with no morals or ethics are not held to the same standard as those who have morals and ethics.
There is a word for that:1.a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

 

[shesulsa]

Those with no morals or ethics are not held to the same standard as those who have morals and ethics.
There is a word for that:1.a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Oh my.

 

[Archangel M]

I just cant see how we have made publiclly stating your beliefs a political "evil". Or how being "Christian" can be made into a condemnation.

 

[Big Don]

Oh my.

Which is the reaction when a democrat, running for office, speaks, from the pulpit at a church service.
Oh, oops, I thought you said, "so what"

 

[Ray]

The belief that creationism is a science and should be taught in science classes isn't something about which reasonable people can disagree. So no, liberals would not be open to that idea (liberals are open to new ideas, not new beliefs).

That is very clever to frame every arguement so that those who disagree are unreasonable.

Of course, reasonable people should be open to new ideas and new beliefs...else how could anyone have come to embrace the idea of evolution and come to believe it?

Creationism is not a "science." And science is just the process of discovering the facts of the universe.

 

[Archangel M]

It makes me wonder how kids who are creationists are treated in our school systems...

 

[arnisador]

They're the majority, aren't they? Everyone is welcome to his or her opinion. If that opinion is "creationism is true" then that's fine. If that opinion is "creationism is science" then that's factually incorrect. A school should teach that.

If you insist on believing that Izanagi and Izanami created the world, that's fine by me! I'm currently concerned about the fact that Thor is sending a huge storm toward my son. I'm guessing he sacrificed insufficently many reindeer this month.

 

[grydth]

It makes me wonder how kids who are creationists are treated in our school systems...

Everywheres, now and then, there are "teachers" of every persuasion who think their job is to propagandize their agenda instead of instruct. But I think these are a small percentage of teachers anywhere. Chances are most kids, be they Christian, Wiccan or athiest, are let alone.

 

[Archangel M]

Everywheres, now and then, there are "teachers" of every persuasion who think their job is to propagandize their agenda instead of instruct. But I think these are a small percentage of teachers anywhere. Chances are most kids, be they Christian, Wiccan or athiest, are let alone.

I dont mean in a "persecution" sense, rather how the issue is treated when a kid brings it up in science class. Im not a "literal" creationst myself. I do tend to believe that religious beliefs can be seen as allegorical (sp?) to scientific explinations.

 

[jarrod]

my father is a fundamentalist minister, & i remember arguing with my science teacher over issues like whether or not men had as many ribs as women (since eve was created from adam's rib), or whether or not satan planted dinosaur fossils to lead us astray, since the earth couldn't possibly be more than 6,000 years old. this wasn't when i was a real young kid either, we're talking around age 13.

while i love my folks & have made peace with them, it's my opinion that sending a kid to school believing this borders on child abuse. my science teacher was reasonably patient, but i don't think that how creationist kids are treated is as big a concern as why people are teaching their kids completely unscientific crap.

this isn't to say that christianity or even creationism can't be reconciled to science, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

jf

 

[Andrew Green]

Alaska apparently set a record for largest political rally over the weekend:

The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state.

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/

With the organizers recieving some nasty phone messages thanks to a conservative radio host reading off there contact info on air and encouraging his readers to tell call them and tell them what they though of their protest.... after referring to them as "a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots"

 

[arnisador]

Heh, 1400!

 

[Big Don]

Gee, couldn't they have:
Hired a band
Thrown a free concert
Claimed concert goers were there to see the candidate?

Ooops, that was Obama in Portland.
(I probably shouldn't mention that, apparently pointing out bad things democrats do is "tired")

 

[Ray]

this isn't to say that christianity or even creationism can't be reconciled to science, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

As I see it, creationism has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to deal with some people's interpretation of the OT. For example, if creationism starts with the idea that everything was created out of nothing then it's not what I understand the OT to say.

Christianity and science needs no reconciliation. If Christians are seekers after the truth, then so are scientists.

 

[arnisador]

creationism has nothing to do with Christianity

If you mean in theory, I understand. In practice...these are highly correlated.

 

[jarrod]

As I see it, creationism has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to deal with some people's interpretation of the OT. For example, if creationism starts with the idea that everything was created out of nothing then it's not what I understand the OT to say.

Christianity and science needs no reconciliation. If Christians are seekers after the truth, then so are scientists.

i agree with arnisador. the vast majority of creationists in the U.S. are christians, which correlates the two.

christianity is also not about seeking the truth, by definition that is philosophy. according to most people, christianity is about professing that jesus is the only begotten son of god who came to earth to die for our sins & rose from the grave 3 days later. if this conflicts with science, then faith typically superceeds knowledge.

jf

 

[jim777]

They're the majority, aren't they? Everyone is welcome to his or her opinion. If that opinion is "creationism is true" then that's fine. If that opinion is "creationism is science" then that's factually incorrect. A school should teach that.

If you insist on believing that Izanagi and Izanami created the world, that's fine by me! I'm currently concerned about the fact that Thor is sending a huge storm toward my son. I'm guessing he sacrificed insufficently many reindeer this month.

You know, it's you insufficient reindeer sacrificers that cause all the problems! :lol:

 

[CoryKS]

You know, it's you insufficient reindeer sacrificers that cause all the problems! :lol:

It's the decrease in the number of pirates. Causes hurricanes.

 

[arnisador]

Well, the storm missed San Antoniofor the most part. Praise be to Shiva!

 

[celtic_crippler]

Well, the storm missed San Antoniofor the most part. Praise be to Shiva!

Wouldn't Posieden have been responsible for that? :surfer: