This is indeed how it looks. Is it an interpretation of the system you are familiar with?
---Yes, somewhat. But that is not I how learned it in Pin Sun.
What do you mean by a bridge?
---Contact with the opponent arm to arm. Usually at the forearm.
Isn't fighting predominantly about either punching and kicking or wrestling? I don't see another identifiable movement category in empty handed fighting. Of course wresting can be combined with hitting - this happens in MMA quite a lot.
---I guess maybe it lies in the unique way in which Wing Chun can combine grappling (in the sense of controlling the opponent with contact) and hitting.
Isn't that because they are doing chi sau?
---Well, I'm not sure what you mean. You implied you didn't see what Alan is showing in that video in clips of his guys fighting. I said you will see elements of it if you saw Alan himself sparring in the gym. They are doing Chi Sau in that clip in the OP, but not when sparring in the gym.
Poon sau, lap sau and chi sau are training methodologies in WSL VT. They address particular development goals. They aren't fighting methods, so I don't think you would expect to see them in fighting.
---You would never do a Lop Sau in fighting? Or deflect something with a Bong Sau when fighting? Or establish a bridge to work from in fighting? I'm afraid I don't see how any of that would then transfer to fighting if you don't. Exactly what are you developing?
If I understand correctly then force flow as shown in Alan's videos appears to be trained in CSL chi sau the way it is intended to be used in reality; as a balance breaking and body controlling skill at close contact while hitting, i.e. a way to mix grappling and hitting?
---I think that's a fair statement. But I would also say that there doesn't have to be as much "controlling while hitting" as Alan is showing in the clip. I've seen other people that Hendrik has worked with that simply used their "forceflow" methods to "bounce" someone away. I'll also say that other people that have worked with Hendrik independently of Robert Chu and Alan Orr have said they are not impressed with Alan's "forceflow" skills and think he is still using too much body motion. I've seen footage of some do "forceflow" and it looked rather "questionable".....meaning you have to wonder how cooperative the partner was being....one of those "flying through the air without explanation" things. I remain skeptical about that kind of "forceflow." But what I see Alan doing in the video simply looks to me like good biomechanics.
---Yes, somewhat. But that is not I how learned it in Pin Sun.
What do you mean by a bridge?
---Contact with the opponent arm to arm. Usually at the forearm.
Isn't fighting predominantly about either punching and kicking or wrestling? I don't see another identifiable movement category in empty handed fighting. Of course wresting can be combined with hitting - this happens in MMA quite a lot.
---I guess maybe it lies in the unique way in which Wing Chun can combine grappling (in the sense of controlling the opponent with contact) and hitting.
Isn't that because they are doing chi sau?
---Well, I'm not sure what you mean. You implied you didn't see what Alan is showing in that video in clips of his guys fighting. I said you will see elements of it if you saw Alan himself sparring in the gym. They are doing Chi Sau in that clip in the OP, but not when sparring in the gym.
Poon sau, lap sau and chi sau are training methodologies in WSL VT. They address particular development goals. They aren't fighting methods, so I don't think you would expect to see them in fighting.
---You would never do a Lop Sau in fighting? Or deflect something with a Bong Sau when fighting? Or establish a bridge to work from in fighting? I'm afraid I don't see how any of that would then transfer to fighting if you don't. Exactly what are you developing?
If I understand correctly then force flow as shown in Alan's videos appears to be trained in CSL chi sau the way it is intended to be used in reality; as a balance breaking and body controlling skill at close contact while hitting, i.e. a way to mix grappling and hitting?
---I think that's a fair statement. But I would also say that there doesn't have to be as much "controlling while hitting" as Alan is showing in the clip. I've seen other people that Hendrik has worked with that simply used their "forceflow" methods to "bounce" someone away. I'll also say that other people that have worked with Hendrik independently of Robert Chu and Alan Orr have said they are not impressed with Alan's "forceflow" skills and think he is still using too much body motion. I've seen footage of some do "forceflow" and it looked rather "questionable".....meaning you have to wonder how cooperative the partner was being....one of those "flying through the air without explanation" things. I remain skeptical about that kind of "forceflow." But what I see Alan doing in the video simply looks to me like good biomechanics.
