But then, I stopped considering the Times a reputable news source almost 10 years ago, so....*shrug*.
Re No Peace in the Holy Land
- Thread starter Big Don
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Have you read it? Did you read the article? While it offers that the majority of Israelis seem to wholeheartedly support the Israeli governments actions in Gaza, it also offers some alternative viewpoints from the Israeli public. Which means that they at least sought them out.......around the world, people are protesting the Israeli government's actions-not so much here, but in Europe, and certainly in what we'd call "Islamic" countries, like Iran and Pakistan. That's worth paying attention to, because, for better or worse, our support of Israel isone of the things that has made us a target of terrorism, time and time again....
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
if supporting Israel makes us enemies like the islamic nutbarks, then i would say that is proof that our support of Israel is the right thing to do.
If people who think stoning a 13 year old girl who was raped is the right thing to do dont like you, you are doing something right.
If people who think stoning a 13 year old girl who was raped is the right thing to do dont like you, you are doing something right.
sgtmac_46
Senior Master
I think we're safely on the right side of that equation!
sgtmac_46
Senior Master
Yeah, Europe has a long history of....shall we say.....'interesting' views on Israel in particular, and jews in general.
And if fear of making some islamists angry makes us cower away from supporting allies we don't deserve to continue to exist as a nation!
sgtmac_46
Senior Master
It should be disproportionate! The price for attacking ME should be SO HIGH that you really don't find much to gain by doing it, and everything to lose! NOT an eye for an eye, but TWO eyes for an eye!
Nemo me impune lacessit
When you're on the kind of PRISON YARD playground Israel lives in, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PLAY THAT WAY! Overwhelming violence as the PRICE your enemy pays for attacking you is the ONLY WAY to survive in that kind of environment.
In that world, a man punches you in the nose, you stab him to death and leaving him laying in a pool of his own blood as a message to others.....disproportionate violence isn't only acceptable, it's REQUIRED! In that world, tit for tat quid pro quo proportional escalation, or WORSE, 'diplomatic' groveling is SUICIDE!
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Twin Fist
Grandmaster
Muslims in both cases
Well, it depends upon what flavor of Islam you're talking about, but what happens in Somalia hardly seems relevant to the current discussion. Lumping "Muslims" together does no one any service, since there are entirely different sects and systems of belief under its umbrella. Most of the Islamic authorities of the Middle East, and probably even Eastern Europe would find the Muslims of Southeast Asia, who have retained elements of Hunduism and Animism in their religious practices, to be somewhat if not wholly heretical, for example.
In any case, while Hamas is almost certainly entirely Islamic, the population of Gaza is not. Of course, their Christian population is very small-and getting smaller, it seems-but there is a presence of Palestinian Christians there, just as there are in the West Bank and Israel itself....there is, in fact, a population of Jews within Gaza, though this is rather small as well.
In any case, while Hamas is almost certainly entirely Islamic, the population of Gaza is not. Of course, their Christian population is very small-and getting smaller, it seems-but there is a presence of Palestinian Christians there, just as there are in the West Bank and Israel itself....there is, in fact, a population of Jews within Gaza, though this is rather small as well.
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