On Iran
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The point is it's not quite as cut and dry as "Mossad did it". Blaming israel, or any Western intelligence service, shows a lack of understanding of the forces inside Iran. Killing some lower ranking staff of the nuclear program and blaming 'the West" is good propanganda in Iran.
A lot of opinion in Israel has it the Americans did it due to Obamas rather cryptic comments on the killing. There's a feeling that while Obama says he's a supporter of Israel that he's not, the American public is but not Obama himself. If he doesn't support Israel despite his words does this mean he could have ordered the killings? I don't know but it's a possiblity. I think it's worth a think about.
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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag
Isn't that interesting? No, I suppose not, if you think Israel poops flower-scented ponies and wishes candy canes and lollipops on all good little boys and girls.
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Isn't that interesting? No, I suppose not, if you think Israel poops flower-scented ponies and wishes candy canes and lollipops on all good little boys and girls.
Now you are just being silly.
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It seemed appropriate.
Come along ladies and gentlemen, it's an involving enough topic for discussion without having to 'spice it up' with a little text-based-point-sparring.
Not really, I'm not discounting the fact that Israel could have killed the scientist but like the good investigator that I am, I'm also looking at other suspects, others with reasons to want to kill scientists in Iran. Nothing in the Middle East is what it seems, nothing is straightforward, there's smoke and mirrors everywhere. people don't say what they mean out there, don't mean what they say, as I said it's not politics as you know it. Syria is happily gunning down it's own people unless you think that's also Mossad? You think that factions in Iran couldn't do it? that the Kurds wouldn't? Or the Saudis? The Americans? The Brits? Keep an open mind about things like this because its never what it seems, despite what you think you know these people including my own both British and Israeli having been playing this game for centuries, it's not called the Great Game for nothing. the Americans aren't very good at it because bless them, and this is a compliment, they are too open and honest to intrigue with the same intensity and deviousness.
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I guess if you look at it at face value and think who would have the most motive to bump off a nuclear scientist. It would prob be the place that Iran has made it a point to want to wipe it from the face of the earth. Does that mean Israel did it no but thats who would have the best motive. I suspect it was not one nation at all but prob operatives for a few nations working together that way the blame is not on any one nation and all of them can say nope wasnt me and thats partially true.
No matter who did it I dont really care as long as it served its purpose and Iran never gets a nuclear weapon. I dont think they would ever use it under the iranian flag but Ill bet dollars to donuts when they get them one may get "stolen" by some extreamist group and I it would be used either in the US or Israel.
No matter who did it I dont really care as long as it served its purpose and Iran never gets a nuclear weapon. I dont think they would ever use it under the iranian flag but Ill bet dollars to donuts when they get them one may get "stolen" by some extreamist group and I it would be used either in the US or Israel.
http://www.rojhelat.info/english/component/content/article/385
http://www.friendsofncri.org/autonomy.htm
The Kurds have every reason to attack the Iranians, they also have the means. Note on the first one someone is blaming the 'Zionists' for the attack.
Other resistance movements in Iran
http://www.ostomaan.org/articles/news-and-views/4462
http://www.enotes.com/topic/National_Resistance_Movement_of_Iran
Executions of political prisoners in Iran
http://www.mojahedin.org/pagesen/detailsNews.aspx?newsid=16670
A US National has been sentenced to death in Iran http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media...-execution-us-national-spying-case-2012-01-09
Whoever killed the scientist, a good many people are pleased by the action. However whether it has any effect on the nuclear industry in Iran is doubtful.
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To an extent, I agree.
However, the accusations can mean retalliations.
And for some of us, that hits home. During the first Gulf War, I dreaded the long distance ring from my phone. When I hear of suicide bombings In Israel, the first thing I look for in the story is location. I have many fiends, and a some extended family over there.
If Iran was actually developing a nuclear bomb, is there any possible way that this could be resolved without resorting to something that is lose lose for everyone?
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Since it hasn't been proven that Iran is developing a nuclear bomb (and Washington's wishful thinking doesn't constitute proof), those inbred children in that malarial swamp of a city have a long way to go to be convincing.
Remember, these are the same knuckle-children that claimed that Iraq was buying Nigerian yellowcake despite their man on the ground, Joe Wilson, saying they were full of ****.
Remember, these are the same knuckle-children that claimed that Iraq was buying Nigerian yellowcake despite their man on the ground, Joe Wilson, saying they were full of ****.
As has been stated before:
The proof of Iran's having a nuclear weapon will be a mushroom cloud. I don't think it will be over Tel Aviv, I'd bet on near a large group of American troops, since they are almost as inherently evil, to the idiots as Jews.
The proof of Iran's having a nuclear weapon will be a mushroom cloud. I don't think it will be over Tel Aviv, I'd bet on near a large group of American troops, since they are almost as inherently evil, to the idiots as Jews.
Despite British Intel reports, that British Intel still stands by, people believe Iraq wasn't trying to buy yellowcake, mostly because of their political leanings...
Actually it was the Tony Blair's government (the socialist one) that said it was a fact and stood by it, the government that has got us into the wars, the government that 'sexed' up the report on WMD etc etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier
The Foreign Affairs Select Committee judged that the British Government had been wrong to state in an unqualified manner something that had not been established beyond doubt:
| “ | We conclude that it is very odd indeed that the Government asserts that it was not relying on the evidence which has since been shown to have been forged, but that eight months later it is still reviewing the other evidence. The assertion "…that Iraq sought the supply of significant amounts of uranium from Africa …" should have been qualified to reflect the uncertainty.[SUP][9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Affairs_Select_Committee[/SUP] |
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The US and other western nations have been trying to negotiate with Iran for years over their nuclear program. Iran is willing to negotiate, but with one caveat; they will not, under any circumstances, abandon nuclear research and nuclear power. They of course claim they are not building weapons and have no plans to. The western world is willing to give much to Iran to get them to give up their nuclear program. They will not.
Therefore, there's not much more to talk about. Waiting to see if they develop an actual bomb or not is not safe. If they do, they will use it.
