i think a lot of it comes from trying to superimposes aspects of Japanese culture and not modern Japanese culture at that, in to a western setting, bowing, siring and lots of tradition is by our standards cultish. If the same behaviour patterns were required at say a bowling team you joined, you were required to bow to the alley and shout sir every time the team captain spoke, i think even you might find that odd
It's ritualistic, but that doesn't rise to the definition of cultish - but you make a reasonable point. There are rituals in many sports groups that are odd to outsiders. Even more in other cross-cultural pursuits. Mind you, even those things don't permeate all of MA - that's the reason I disagreed on the generality.
it can quickly become a cult of personality were the,sensie must be obeyed,
There are reasons for staying with the group in exercises. If you're not interested in working with the group, you should take private lessons. But that's my view. If your instructor is okay with you screwing around during class, you've found the right home.
i can't see the point of entering a discussion when you have the person you are disagreeing with on ignore??
It's Jobo. I ignored him too.
I assume you meant pilates. I expect combining that with mindfulness gets some of the same benefits as yoga. I've not read the research on some of the more wide-ranging findings of yoga's benefits, so I don't know what they're attributed to. If any of them are attributed to the slower movements, held poses, and inversions, those are not typical in pilates. It depends what part of yoga is bringing which benefits.
yes Pilates, the spell check wouldn't put it up.
to be honest that's something of a relief
its less what i was doing,vso much as she thought my not obeying her instruction was worthy of punishment and even more that she thought i would subject myself to the humiliation of punishment by following her instruction to punish my self.
Full disclosure: I don't dance. Nobody's perfect.
Or you just can't do push ups lol
Making a health claim for yoga isn't an assertion that it's better than something else. I like yoga for helping loosen up my hips. I could do that with stretching, too, but that doesn't change the fact that yoga works.
That's not really a function of cult status. It's a function of organizational culture. If folks choose to submit to a strict order of control during classes because it suits them, that's not inherently cultish. Just as in the right organizational culture, your shenanigans aren't disruptive. In every class I've ever been in (or taught) they would be. That would make that class a bad fit for you, and vice versa - bad culture fit.
it most certainly is, its just a,question of degree,any CULTure that requires unquestioning obedience and requires you to punish yourself for not obeying the dictated of the leader, most certainly has elements of a cult about it. And that was my opening point, not that they are cults, just that they are getting that way.
its not your point im disputing, its not you posting multiple links claim multiple health benefits for yoga.
Who said anything about "unquestioning"? If someone asked my early instructors why they used push-ups when people didn't follow instructions, they'd be able to supply a reason. And if people asked why a drill was being assigned, they'd have an answer to that, too. Push-ups to encourage coordinated effort among the group doesn't even imply "unquestioning obedience".
