Non-martial training in martial arts

[_Simon_]

When you feel up to it, try working in some bird-dogs into your routine - the best time is usually right after the cat-cows. They are great for core and for leveling out your hips.

Thanks AH appreciate it, am not 100% sure if it would be best for me unfortunately, that tends to work the core and strengthen it whereas I need the opposite and need to relax it, pelvic muscles as well as abdominal and deep core muscles, they're all too tight, so been really gently doing movements and syncing them with deep diaphragm breathing. Although they're not a superintense core exercise and seem gentler so i may give it a go

 

[AngryHobbit]

Running was always my thing along with calisthenics. Weights aren't my thing, either.

I started strength training to put in a more-than-pathetic performance at mud runs.

 

[AngryHobbit]

Thanks AH appreciate it, am not 100% sure if it would be best for me unfortunately, that tends to work the core and strengthen it whereas I need the opposite and need to relax it, pelvic muscles as well as abdominal and deep core muscles, they're all too tight, so been really gently doing movements and syncing them with deep diaphragm breathing. Although they're not a superintense core exercise and seem gentler so i may give it a go

Ah... true enough. I have to work my core constantly because my spine is messed up and can't do all the work. I've been practicing yoga for almost three years now, and I am STILL learning to relax.

 

[_Simon_]

Ah... true enough. I have to work my core constantly because my spine is messed up and can't do all the work. I've been practicing yoga for almost three years now, and I am STILL learning to relax.

Ah wow fair enough.. Yeah it's such a strange thought when we're far too tense and unable to relax, when relaxing involves literally doing nothing haha... It's a process for me for sure... and cos of my pelvic issues I've never been so devoted to relaxation until now..

 

[donald1]

outside the dojo i prefer jogging. wake up in the morning eat breakfast, stretch, run 5 miles, and finally 30 minutes of weight lifting. atleast thats how i like starting the morning

Do I need to bench press 300 pounds?

certainly something to brag about and show off with friends.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

outside the dojo i prefer jogging. wake up in the morning eat breakfast, stretch, run 5 miles, and finally 30 minutes of weight lifting. atleast thats how i like starting the morning


certainly something to brag about and show off with friends.

I miss long runs. Stay with it.

 

[AngryHobbit]

outside the dojo i prefer jogging. wake up in the morning eat breakfast, stretch, run 5 miles, and finally 30 minutes of weight lifting. atleast thats how i like starting the morning.

I am a LOUSY runner, but I have tremendous respect for people who are not. 5 miles first thing in the morning - that's awesome. What do you have for breakfast and how do you make sure it doesn't sit like a horseshoe at the bottom of your stomach when you jog?

 

[jobo]

Thanks AH appreciate it, am not 100% sure if it would be best for me unfortunately, that tends to work the core and strengthen it whereas I need the opposite and need to relax it, pelvic muscles as well as abdominal and deep core muscles, they're all too tight, so been really gently doing movements and syncing them with deep diaphragm breathing. Although they're not a superintense core exercise and seem gentler so i may give it a go

people on here seem very fond of yoga, i think its is to the large part new aged hockum, that not to say that some of the exercises arnt of benefit but you can do them and call it something else, like pilarties or just stretching and holds and it works just as well with out the semi mystical nonsense and buying a mat and attending what is quite close to a prenatal class.

And it isn't always the answer to tight mucle, it may work for them as their problem is different to yours, it doesn't follow that it will work for you .

some people just have short inflexable muscles and you can spend the rest of you life. Sitting in the lotus position and breathing deeply, it will make no difference.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

people on here seem very fond of yoga, i think its is to the large part new aged hockum, that not to say that some of the exercises arnt of benefit but you can do them and call it something else, like pilarties or just stretching and holds and it works just as well with out the semi mystical nonsense and buying a mat and attending what is quite close to a prenatal class.

And it isn't always the answer to tight mucle, it may work for them as their problem is different to yours, it doesn't follow that it will work for you .

some people just have short inflexable muscles and you can spend the rest of you life. Sitting in the lotus position and breathing deeply, it will make no difference.

I've never run into the mysticism in yoga - all of the classes I attended were just good exercise/stretch classes. Yoga can be (and often is) done without being in a class - but some folks prefer a class environment. I work harder in a group and stay on task better, for instance.

I agree much of what's in yoga's physical practice (I'm not into the spiritual side of it) can be found elsewhere.

As for the mat, I need one for many of those exercises, regardless of what they're called. In fact, the standard yoga mat is useless to me - my knees no longer put up with any real pressure when kneeling, so I use a much softer mat than usual (and fall down a lot in balance poses because of it).

 

[AngryHobbit]

people on here seem very fond of yoga, i think its is to the large part new aged hockum, that not to say that some of the exercises arnt of benefit but you can do them and call it something else, like pilarties or just stretching and holds and it works just as well with out the semi mystical nonsense and buying a mat and attending what is quite close to a prenatal class.

And it isn't always the answer to tight mucle, it may work for them as their problem is different to yours, it doesn't follow that it will work for you .

some people just have short inflexable muscles and you can spend the rest of you life. Sitting in the lotus position it will make no difference.

Um... no... Yoga is anything but new age hockum - that is a very rude and ignorant thing to say. Before you berate it, I suggest you try it as well as do some research. I've been taking yoga for three years now, and have never been exposed to any "semi-mystical nonsense". I do own a mat - because I prefer to use my own, instead of using the worn-out mats at YMCA. Also, because my knees hurt, my mat is a tiny bit thicker, reducing the pain and allowing to make my yoga practice more productive. My yoga instructor is a former competitive athlete, a marathon runner, who was directed to yoga by her cardiologist to help alleviate a rare heart condition she had. She is now in amazing health, she no longer has to take medication for her heart (initially, the condition was believed to be of the kind to require medication for the rest of her life), and does mountain biking on weekends for fun.

Here is American Heart Association's scoop on yoga: Yoga and Heart Health. There are also numerous articles by orthopedic surgeons who routinely recommend yoga to people recovering from serious injuries and surgeries. Do you honestly think cardiologists and orthopeds - scientists who spent many years studying everything there is to know about how human body functions - would recommend what you call "new age hockum"?

Yoga is hard work and can be tremendously beneficial. It's not uncommon for me to sweat as much in my yoga classes as I do in high-intensity cardio. And the amount of muscle building is comparable to that of a decent weight-lifting session. The class I normally attend includes gymnasts, professional dancers, weight lifters, and at least one football player. Many folks in the group joined just to try it and made it a part of their fitness routine. And many were directed to yoga by their doctors and coaches.

 

[jobo]

Um... no... Yoga is anything but new age hockum - that is a very rude and ignorant thing to say. Before you berate it, I suggest you try it as well as do some research. I've been taking yoga for three years now, and have never been exposed to any "semi-mystical nonsense". I do own a mat - because I prefer to use my own, instead of using the worn-out mats at YMCA. Also, because my knees hurt, my mat is a tiny bit thicker, reducing the pain and allowing to make my yoga practice more productive. My yoga instructor is a former competitive athlete, a marathon runner, who was directed to yoga by her cardiologist to help alleviate a rare heart condition she had. She is now in amazing health, she no longer has to take medication for her heart (initially, the condition was believed to be of the kind to require medication for the rest of her life), and does mountain biking on weekends for fun.

Here is American Heart Association's scoop on yoga: Yoga and Heart Health. There are also numerous articles by orthopedic surgeons who routinely recommend yoga to people recovering from serious injuries and surgeries. Do you honestly think cardiologists and orthopeds - scientists who spent many years studying everything there is to know about how human body functions - would recommend what you call "new age hockum"?

Yoga is hard work and can be tremendously beneficial. It's not uncommon for me to sweat as much in my yoga classes as I do in high-intensity cardio. And the amount of muscle building is comparable to that of a decent weight-lifting session. The class I normally attend includes gymnasts, professional dancers, weight lifters, and at least one football player. Many folks in the group joined just to try it and made it a part of their fitness routine. And many were directed to yoga by their doctors and coaches.

any exercise, is( potentially) beneficial, there are people walking dogs, gardening, weight training and every thing else at the suggestion of their doctor, that doesn't mean that gardening is the correct exercise for every one, or all gardeners should immediately recommend it to every one for every problem, which is what yoga enthusiast tend to do.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

any exercise, is( potentially) beneficial, there are people walking dogs, gardening, weight training and every thing else at the suggestion of their doctor, that doesn't mean that gardening is the correct exercise for every one, or all gardeners should immediately recommend it to every one for every problem, which is what yoga enthusiast tend to do.

Yeah, it's what all enthusiasts tend to do.

 

[AngryHobbit]

any exercise, is( potentially) beneficial, there are people walking dogs, gardening, weight training and every thing else at the suggestion of their doctor, that doesn't mean that gardening is the correct exercise for every one, or all gardeners should immediately recommend it to every one for every problem, which is what yoga enthusiast tend to do.

Where did I recommend it for every problem? Where did I say that? I merely pointed out it had benefits and was recommended by respected medical professionals, particularly cardiologists and orthopaedic specialists.

YOU were the one who called it "hockum" and "semi-mystical nonsense", which shows you know nothing about it and have done no research on it whatsoever.

 

[donald1]

I am a LOUSY runner, but I have tremendous respect for people who are not. 5 miles first thing in the morning - that's awesome. What do you have for breakfast and how do you make sure it doesn't sit like a horseshoe at the bottom of your stomach when you jog?

Breakfast is whatever I want it to be. Most of the time it's cereal with a glass of grapefruit juice

 

[jobo]

Where did I recommend it for every problem? Where did I say that? I merely pointed out it had benefits and was recommended by respected medical professionals, particularly cardiologists and orthopaedic specialists.

YOU were the one who called it "hockum" and "semi-mystical nonsense", which shows you know nothing about it and have done no research on it whatsoever.

well to be fair you were recommending it to the guy above, though you have absolutely no idea what the cause of his tight muscles may be. Then you follow that up by appeal to a higher aurthority, ie heart surgeons recommend it, so it must b good, whilst failing to mention that doctors might recommend golf or net ball in equal amounts, you have no idea

 

[jobo]

Yeah, it's what all enthusiasts tend to do.

well yes and religious zealots' as well

 

[AngryHobbit]

well to be fair you were recommending it to the guy above, though you have absolutely no idea what the cause of his tight muscles may be. Then you follow that up by appeal to a higher aurthority, ie heart surgeons recommend it, so it must b good, whilst failing to mention that doctors might recommend golf or net ball in equal amounts, you have no idea

No, the guy above was already taking some yoga - sounds like a gentler style than the one I am in. I merely suggested one form that might be helpful and backed off immediately when he said he was going in another direction. The form in question actually helped me with two groups of tight muscles and is used outside of yoga practice by physical therapists. But since he said no - that was fine with me, I respect that. We are all different. But no, you insist on bashing me for making a suggestion in the first place.

And I appealed to higher authority because YOU spoke dismissively and ignorantly about the subject you obviously know nothing about. If you didn't want to take my word for it or the word of anyone else here taking yoga, I invited you to familiarize yourself with the scientific research on the subject, available to you at no cost. Once again, NOWHERE did I say it was good for everything. I outlined my own experience, experience of people I know and train with, and additional information provided by independent sources.

I have a feeling, had I not offered any evidence that this wasn't something bogus, you would have attacked me for making it up. But since I did offer evidence that this is something respected in the scientific circles, you are attacking me for doing that as well. So, basically, you just want to attack me because you made an ignorant statement, I rebuffed it, and you don't want to take responsibility for your own words. This is kindergarten stuff. Grow up and at least learn to man up when you've been caught making an ignorant generalized statement.

 

[AngryHobbit]

well yes and religious zealots' as well

Wow... so... say... if someone said martial arts had fitness benefits, provided scientific evidence to the effect, and invited others to come watch or participate in the class, that makes them a religious zealot? Just... wow...

 

[shihansmurf]

To address the OP's question....

I weight train three days a week. Currently running the MadCow intermediate template with some light assistance work added in. I run the other three days and do quite a bit of stretching after each workout.

As my numbers have increased in the main lifts my performance at karate has increased. I hit harder and move faster. There is no disadvantage in being strong as a martial artist.

Mark

 

[jobo]

No, the guy above was already taking some yoga - sounds like a gentler style than the one I am in. I merely suggested one form that might be helpful and backed off immediately when he said he was going in another direction. The form in question actually helped me with two groups of tight muscles and is used outside of yoga practice by physical therapists. But since he said no - that was fine with me, I respect that. We are all different. But no, you insist on bashing me for making a suggestion in the first place.

And I appealed to higher authority because YOU spoke dismissively and ignorantly about the subject you obviously know nothing about. If you didn't want to take my word for it or the word of anyone else here taking yoga, I invited you to familiarize yourself with the scientific research on the subject, available to you at no cost. Once again, NOWHERE did I say it was good for everything. I outlined my own experience, experience of people I know and train with, and additional information provided by independent sources.

I have a feeling, had I not offered any evidence that this wasn't something bogus, you would have attacked me for making it up. But since I did offer evidence that this is something respected in the scientific circles, you are attacking me for doing that as well. So, basically, you just want to attack me because you made an ignorant statement, I rebuffed it, and you don't want to take responsibility for your own words. This is kindergarten stuff. Grow up and at least learn to man up when you've been caught making an ignorant generalized statement.

i don't think I'm attacking you at all, I'm questioning the universal health benefits that are claimed for yoga. The fact you cant differentiates between the two, does indeed reveal a phycological dependence on it, or as some less charitable than myself may call it, religious zeal

do you think a rational soccer player would feel attacked if i said soccer was dangerous to your health, ? Or not as good as basket ball?