John moved a couple times. I will have the entire Buffalo list up by the end of the weekend.
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Originally posted by arnisador
John Bryant, who recvd his black belt in the early 80s (I believe) but who has been inactive for some time, to the best of my knowledge. He opened the first Buffalo-area school; indeed, one of the first Modern Arnis schools.
Originally posted by Renegade
John was the first full time Modern Arnis school teaching Modern Arnis only.
Originally posted by Renegade
The people listed above have been issued OFFICIAL IMAF diplomas from GM Presas. These ranks have not been bestowed by WMAA, IMAF Shea, IMAF Delaney, MARPPIO, DAV, etc.
Datu Dieter Knüttel
Blaco belts of the DAV in Germany directly under Remy Presas
Hi Kelly
I am glad, I´ve got the list complete. Even though I have send a lot of names already, here are them all together once more, so you get the complete picture of the black blets of the DAV here in Germany, that were ranked directly under the Professor. All together there are 60 black belts with the following structure:
1 x 6th Dan
2 x 5th Dan
2 x 4th Dan
10 x 3rd Dan
15 x 2nd Dan
25 x 1st Dan
Name--rank/year of the rank--start of the Arnis training
Datu Dieter Knüttel -- 6th Dan/1996 -- 1978
Hans Karrer -- 5th Dan/1999 -- 1979
Jorgen Gydesen -- 5th Dan/1999 -- 1983
Peter Rutkowski -- 4th Dan/1999 -- 1984
Carsten Hemmersbach -- 4th Dan/1999 -- 1988
Helmut Meisel -- 3rd Dan/1996 -- 1984
Michael Jux -- 3rd Dan/1996 -- 1982
Simone Schlötels -- 3rd Dan/1996 -- 1987
Sunny Graff -- 3rd Dan/1999 -- 1985
Kall Wall -- 3rd Dan/1999 -- 1984
Albert Diemer -- 3rd Dan/1999 -- 1984
Sven Barchfeld -- 3rd Dan/1999 -- 1985
Bernd Vieth -- 3rd Dan/1999 -- 1988
Roland Schültke -- 3rd Dan/1999 -- 1991
Siegfried Derwisch -- 3rd Dan/1999-- 1985
Horst Brandt -- 2nd Dan/1994
Dieter Armerding -- 2nd Dan/1996
Michael Lappen -- 2nd Dan/1996
Ingo Hutschenreuther -- 2nd Dan/1996
Jörg Israel -- 2nd Dan/1996
Finn Rathmann -- 2nd Dan/1996
Stefan di Biccari -- 2nd Dan/1996
Hans Peter Arto -- 2nd Dan/1997
Roland Schültke -- 2nd Dan/1997
Erich Muchow -- 2nd Dan/1999
Ute Proll -- 2nd Dan/1999
Tobias Rosenkranz -- 2nd Dan/1999
John Peter Foelsch -- 2nd Dan/1999
Carola Maucher -- 2nd Dan/1999
Siegfried Wittwer -- 2nd Dan/1999
Arthur Pakulla -- 1st Dan/1996
Peter Swirski -- 1st Dan/1996
Tobias Rosenkranz -- 1st Dan/1996
Peter Rubik -- 1st Dan/1996
Irmgard Deschler -- 1st Dan/1996
Ingo Hahmann -- 1st Dan/1996
Kurt Reffler -- 1st Dan/1996
Axel Grassmann -- 1st Dan/1996
Gerd Leiendecker -- 1st Dan/1996
Jamil Tarkhani -- 1st Dan/1997
Stephan Chun -- 1st Dan/1997
Sven Jander -- 1st Dan/1997
Gianfranco Casillo -- 1st Dan/1997
Jörg Kluthke -- 1st Dan/1997
Myriam Krasch -- 1st Dan/1999
Timo Dryk -- 1st Dan/1999
Mark Broere -- 1st Dan/1999
Ewangelos Poungias -- 1st Dan/1999
Vincente Batala -- 1st Dan/1999
Markus Kenkmann -- 1st Dan/1999
Dick Schöellhorn -- 1st Dan/1999
Michael Naber -- 1st Dan/1999
Stefan Lucas -- 1st Dan/1999
Rüediger Roessler -- 1st Dan/1999
Florian Rosenkranz -- 1st Dan/1999
Thank you for asrking, we never had all the nemes together. Now we have. I am looking forward for the complete list or chart, if it ever will be complete.
Keep up the good work.
Greetings
Dieter Knüttel
Datu of Modern Arnis
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Dieter Knüttel
Tests
Hi Tim
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when did these people test in front of Remy?
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the year of the tests is always put behind the names and degrees.
If you want I can find out the precise dates for all the tests. They were always held before or after a seminar when the Professor visited us here in Germany.
When you would not have lost your tickes in 1999 in Frankfurt, you could have whitnessed the test of all 27 Modern Arnis blackbelts, that passed the test then, like Datu David Hoffmann and Jeff Delaney did. They were also on the board with Remy, me and other high ranking blackbelts.
It took somethig like 5 hours all together. We made one examination for 1st Dan, after that for the 2nd and 3rd Dans and then for the 4th and 5th Dans. You were there, unfortunately you were busy getting back your tickes (what I could and can understand) but I would have liked to have had you on the board.
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thought you said that the DAV wasn't part of the IMAF. The reason I ask is that is alot of people being promoted by Remy without being members.
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For the IMAF, please note, that I did not write: "everybody made the degree in the IMAF", but I wrote, that "all of them made the test directly under the eyes of Remy". After the test we always discussed the results of every student with Remy and he personally approved every promotion. They all got his signature on their certificate. And I think this is what counts, because as far as i know, in Remys active times, there was no standardised examination requirements, that were valid for all gradings all over the US. We had this here and still have it and all students had to show the requirements for their degree.
Remy never ever said anything to us, that we should join the IMAF. We were and are a strong, well run association here in Germany and at that time, the IMAF seemed not very important to him.
Regards
Dieter Knüttel
Datu of Modern Arnis
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Remys german was not good enough to tell the germans what to do during the grading. He was sitting with the board which did the testing and he decided, who passed the Modern Arnis black belt. In our case Remy was right in the board and not beside it like in the test in the USA that I have whitnessed.
And remember the question raised:
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(ATTENTION!! THIS IS A MODIFICATION ON THE REQUEST FOR NAMES, PLEASE SUBMIT THE NAMES OF ANY PERSON THAT RECEIVED BLACKBELT STATUS FROM REMY A. PRESAS)
No major statements will be listed with each name, if you have people in mind and would like to include this information for status of position and recognition for inclusion it may help in deciding who will be listed but it is not a who has done what article only a listing of potential lineage practitioners to be included in the article or chart.
This is a big request, especially to keep non political,
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There is no request for IMAF, only who got the blackbelt directly from Remy.
And that is the case.
And to be frankly: If you are accepting them as Modern Arnis blackbelts or not is not important. Remy did and everybody who whitnessed the gradings (Randi Shea, Al Garza, Datu David Hoffman, Jeff Delaney, later Roland Dantres) and that is what counts.
But perhaps you can decide better than the Professor, who is a Modern Arnis black belt and who not, even without having seen the grading.
If so, congratulations.
Remy acknowledged the high standard of Modern Arnis that we have and thats what is important to us.
Regards
Dieter Knüttel
DATU of Modern Arnis
PS: You have to see, that I have been teaching Arnis for over 20 years now. I got my 5th Dan Modern Arnis in 1983 from Rodel Dagoog and Roland Dantes yand Willfredo Annang in Manila/Philippines, a year later from Ernesto Presas as well.
Thats why there are so many students with black belt and we have a lot more without Remys signature. There were alone 23 during the last test with Roland Dantes on the board, going to 1st, 2nd and 3rd Dan.
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Hi Tim,
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So you understand this is not an attach on you.
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thanks for clearing that point. I might have taken it a bit personal.
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Since Remy moved to the states the only person who was authorized to promote to Black Belt was Remy himself. Remy told me this in 1997, when I asked him myself what belt I would have to be to promote people to Black Belt.
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Well, in the US that might have been true, but I got in 1984 from Ernesto the license to promote students up to 4th Dan in Modern Arnis. When I got the Datu and the European Modern Arnis Represantative from Remy in 1996, he also granted this right to me, even up to 5th Dan, but I never used it. We only graded up to 3rd Dan without him, but aleways in a commission with me and at least 2 more 3rd , 4th or 5th Dans. So our grading commissions were always between 3 and 5 examiners.
I think Remy understood, that he is only once a year in Europe and that it is not possible for him to be at every grading, nor is it possible for all the students to fly to the US for their black belt test. This would have slowed down the spreading of Modern Aris here. You saw it, 60 gradings in these years only in front of him, and perhapps another 40 - 60 without him. This is a lot of people.
I think this is why he granted that right to me, especially after he saw, that our gradings were correct and we would not give the degrees away.
In the US Remy was always every few months in every area, so this was not neccessary. This was different in Europe with the DAV.
Regards
Dieter Knüttel
Datu of Modern Arnis
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Modern Arnis Germany
Dieter wrote:
Well, in the US that might have been true, but I got in 1984 from Ernesto the license to promote students up to 4th Dan in Modern Arnis.
Dieter wrote:
When I got the Datu and the European Modern Arnis Represantative from Remy in 1996, he also granted this right to me, even up to 5th Dan, but I never used it.
Remember that Ernesto had to change the name because of Remy. So this would mean that you were licensed to teach KOMBATON.
Maybe in the DAV program, but I've NEVER heard Remy giving anyone permission to promote to that level. Remeber English is niether yours nor Remy's primary language. I would bet that there was some communication problems which lead to a couple misunderstandings.
Mr. Knüttel, what are the ranks in the DAV? I ask because I don't see any "0th degree" Lakans there--do you not use that rank?Is 10th the highest rank? Presumably this is not yet applicable.