MMA vs TMA

[ballen0351]

I have my reasons....

Like?

The point is, many TMA schools use that "no competition" label as a shield to protect their style from objective scrutiny. Take Aikido for example. Though Aikido is a pretty modern art, it teaches things in a pretty traditional way. Often lacking aliveness, or any sense of true resistance. So what happens when an Aikidoka goes up against a Judoka?

This happens;

And its a direct result of how the Aikidoka trains.

Again more nonsense with a random Youtube clip as your "proof". I have personally used Aikido in real life as a cop on a real bad guy and it worked perfectly. So dont tell me it doesnt work I know for a fact it does because unlike you Ive been in the real world and used techniques on real bad guys with no rules not in a cage with preset agreements on what your allowed and not allowed to do. You know nothing about the guys in this clip yet you want to use it as evidence. You see one clip as proof that every Judo player will win against every Aikidoka. You have your mind made up and thats fine. YOUR the only one that cant see through your BS. I hope for your sake your like 14 and just dont know any better yet because with your mindset your in for a rough road ahead if your ever really forced to defend yourself in a real fight and you try to use your sport rules.

 

[ballen0351]

using your debate skills heres a Karate Guy beating a Judo player so Karate is better then Judo always no exceptions

 

[Hanzou]

Like?


Again more nonsense with a random Youtube clip as your "proof". I have personally used Aikido in real life as a cop on a real bad guy and it worked perfectly. So dont tell me it doesnt work I know for a fact it does because unlike you Ive been in the real world and used techniques on real bad guys with no rules not in a cage with preset agreements on what your allowed and not allowed to do. You know nothing about the guys in this clip yet you want to use it as evidence. You see one clip as proof that every Judo player will win against every Aikidoka. You have your mind made up and thats fine. YOUR the only one that cant see through your BS. I hope for your sake your like 14 and just dont know any better yet because with your mindset your in for a rough road ahead if your ever really forced to defend yourself in a real fight and you try to use your sport rules.

Would you prefer the second video where the Aikidoka shodan got smashed even faster by a wrestler?

Like I said before, I have nothing against any martial art. I actually rather like the concept behind Aikido, it is unfortunate that the concept falls short when the rubber hits the road. Also, I know that Aikido wristlocks work. The problem is (again) in the training of the art itself.

Unfortunately I'm not 14. When I was 14 I was wasting my time doing Tae Kwon Do at a local rec center. I wish I had started Bjj at that point in my life, instead of starting it over a decade later.

 

[ballen0351]

Oh wait here is Aikido tossing a TKD guy so by your logic Aikido is better then TKD

 

[ballen0351]

Oh no here Aikido beating a boxer well if its on You tube it must be true so Aikido is greater then Boxing

 

[Hanzou]

using your debate skills heres a Karate Guy beating a Judo player so Karate is better then Judo always no exceptions

A Karate guy who clearly cross-trained in Bjj.

Did you miss the ridiculously smooth omoplata he put on the Judo guy, or the mount and take down defense? The commentators even mentioned it during the fight.

 

[ballen0351]

Would you prefer the second video where the Aikidoka shodan got smashed even faster by a wrestler?

You missing the point. Just because you find a random clip on you tube its not proof of anything other then that guy lost to that other guy while the camera was on. you know nothing about either ones training, back ground, the rules they set, or the reason they were even fighting.

Like I said before, I have nothing against any martial art. I actually rather like the concept behind Aikido, it is unfortunate that the concept falls short when the rubber hits the road. Also, I know that Aikido wristlocks work. The problem is (again) in the training of the art itself.

And again you have no idea what your talking about. You know so little about Aikido that when I say I used it in real life you assume I used a wrist lock. When IN reality I launched a guy halfway across the room with one arm using a technique I was taught in class.

Unfortunately I'm not 14. When I was 14 I was wasting my time doing Tae Kwon Do at a local rec center. I wish I had started Bjj at that point in my life, instead of starting it over a decade later.

Well good luck my friend your going to need it

 

[Hanzou]

Oh wait here is Aikido tossing a TKD guy so by your logic Aikido is better then TKD

To be fair, just about everything is better than TKD. :lol:

And again you have no idea what your talking about. You know so little about Aikido that when I say I used it in real life you assume I used a wrist lock. When IN reality I launched a guy halfway across the room with one arm using a technique I was taught in class.

And this is why I resort to youtube videos. People can spew whatever make-believe stuff they want on the internet.

 

[ballen0351]

A Karate guy who clearly cross-trained in Bjj.

Did you miss the ridiculously smooth omoplata he put on the Judo guy, or the mount and take down defense? The commentators even mentioned it during the fight.

Prove it. Prove hes trained in anything. I learn sweeps, throws, mounts and take down defense in my standard Goju Class.

 

[ballen0351]

To be fair, just about everything is better than TKD. :lol:

Easy to say from the safety of your keyboard my friend

 

[ballen0351]

Oh darn Karate must be better then BJJ its on You Tube after all

 

[Hanzou]

Prove it. Prove hes trained in anything. I learn sweeps, throws, mounts and take down defense in my standard Goju Class.

1. He's from Brazil. If you're a MMA fighter in Brazil, you're going to be training in Bjj.
2. He performed a submission lock on a Judo black belt, and he did it with ridiculous ease.
3. His mount defense was clear Bjj, as was his sprawl.
4. The commentators mentioned it.

Please show me the Omoplata in the Kyokushin or Goju curriculum. I have a black belt in Shotokan, and Kyokushin came from Shotokan. The Omoplata doesn't exist in Shotokan, and I seriously doubt it exists in Kyokushin.

Its important to note that had the "karate guy" not cross trained in Bjj, he would have lost that fight.

 

[ballen0351]

1. He's from Brazil. If you're a MMA fighter in Brazil, you're going to be training in Bjj.
2. He performed a submission lock on a Judo black belt, and he did it with ridiculous ease.
3. His mount defense was clear Bjj, as was his sprawl.
4. The commentators mentioned it.

Please show me the Omoplata in the Kyokushin or Goju curriculum. I have a black belt in Shotokan, and Kyokushin came from Shotokan. The Omoplata doesn't exist in Shotokan, and I seriously doubt it exists in Kyokushin.

Its important to note that had the "karate guy" not cross trained in Bjj, he would have lost that fight.

Wait so what your saying is everything labeled on YouTube might not be what it says it is huh?

 

[Hanzou]

Wait so what your saying is everything labeled on YouTube might not be what it says it is huh?

I'm saying that you should actually watch the video before you post it.

 

[ballen0351]

I'm saying that you should actually watch the video before you post it.

I did you still have not proven anything. Saying all Brazilians train BJJ is stupid. Do all Russians train Sambo? Do all Israeli train Krav? Do all Brazilian train Capoerota? Oh no they can't they all train BJJ do all philliopino train Arnis?
I don't Need to show you anything. I train Goju and Judo and BJJ I see parts of each in the other. I see Judo throws in Goju or vise versa I see Goju Arm bars and wrist locks in BJJ I don't need to prove to you something I know already. Your the one that claims it's not there so............

 

[Kframe]

Hanzou you do realize its people like you, with your attitude that is hurting mma? Normal people cant stand the ego that you are displaying that is so common in mma. Your not doing your art any service. Secondly I have met some very respected BJJ trainers and they have this thing called respect. They teach about respect and they give respect to every art. You are clearly not showing any respect for other arts. Ask Renor or Renzo Gracie at the GJJ Academy. They preach on and on about respect from day one. They would never tolerate attitudes such as yours.

I honestly hope that mma gets banned for ever from the USA, that way I no longer have to deal with the thugs, and miscreants, and the shear volume of bad people with even worse attitudes. The sooner this gladiator crap is scrubbed from Rome, excuse me America the better society will be.

 

[Kframe]

FYI click click pow and knives beat bjj every time. Im not going to post it for you, but go watch the final challenge of Human Warrior MCMAP. The trained BJJ Brown belt and MMA pro gets KNIFED 8 times while trying to BJJ what would amount to a 2-3 stripe white belt.. Not that much bjj in MCMAP.

 

[Kframe]

Hanzou reading your posts, im getting the impression that you feel that anyone in a tradional tma be it a strike centric one or not, should just quit and join a bjj/judo gym. Do you honestly expect people to just drop something they have large amounts of there lives doing, just to do something that is perceived as superior? Weather you want to admit it or not but bjj is only effective in the cage/mat. It is not the priemier street defense art. Why on earth would you want to go to ground on the street? How in gods name would you deal with multiple assailants when in guard on the ground? You cant. Nor does bjj address weapons defense.

I don't really understand why your on this forum. Only thing your accomplishing is angering members and spouting ignorant nonsense. I honestly expected to see a thread on sherdog, bragging of the poop storm your stirring up here, but alas there isn't one there. We all know that the members of sherdog love to hate on TMA.

Good lord, one person there, told me TMA have been conning people out of money for the last 70 years. Taking there cash and teaching them choreographed nonsense.. Yet I don't see a brag thread on sherdog. So whats your game? What are you trying to achieve by stirring the nest here? Do you really want the thousands of active memebers in tma here, to just drop there arts, and start doing judo/bjj?


Edit to add. Your "stuff" about stances. You posted a few videos of Goju sparring. I hate to break it to you, but I saw a bunch of stances being used in that. Oh and my new art that I just left mma for, has a fighting stance that is weighted to the front. In fact it looks really similar to a karate front stance.. HMMM You clearly don't do judo, or any other grappling art. Some of the throws I was taught in mma, came from judo. I didn't know it at first but the front stance is used in a number of them.

Why don't you try being honest about the level of training you have. Who is your instructor, what is your lineage to whom. That will prove or disprove anything you have to say. IF you cant post that, then your not worth listening to in the first place. For you have no credibility if you don't.

 

[Hanzou]

I did you still have not proven anything. Saying all Brazilians train BJJ is stupid. Do all Russians train Sambo? Do all Israeli train Krav? Do all Brazilian train Capoerota? Oh no they can't they all train BJJ do all philliopino train Arnis?

I didn't say ALL Brazilians. I said Brazilian MMA fighters train in Bjj. Its sort of the standard down there. That is backed up based on what the guy did in the ring. Sorry, but Kyokushin isn't going to teach you Omoplata, Mount defense and escape, or how to sprawl. And based on how that guy was outclassing that Judoka at his own game, its pretty obvious that he cross-trained.

I don't Need to show you anything. I train Goju and Judo and BJJ I see parts of each in the other. I see Judo throws in Goju or vise versa I see Goju Arm bars and wrist locks in BJJ I don't need to prove to you something I know already. Your the one that claims it's not there so............

So once again I get no evidence for anything you've said? Well, next time you throw someone across the room with your Aikido, record it for me. I would love to see it.

 

[ballen0351]

I didn't say ALL Brazilians. I said Brazilian MMA fighters train in Bjj. Its sort of the standard down there. That is backed up based on what the guy did in the ring. Sorry, but Kyokushin isn't going to teach you Omoplata, Mount defense and escape, or how to sprawl. And based on how that guy was outclassing that Judoka at his own game, its pretty obvious that he cross-trained.




So once again I get no evidence for anything you've said? Well, next time you throw someone across the room with your Aikido, record it for me. I would love to see it.

I'll make sure I post it on YouTube since according to you everything on YouTube is true and a fact. Well unless its a Clip that goes against your argument that clip is wrong.