Does the sport do a great job of building skill for the sport? That's what schools/gyms do, not sports. There is a mix, though people tend toward the places that do the best in competition, if competition is their intent, so those are likely to do better financially, too. A lot of good incentive for the schools.
That SD has a statistical problem of inconsistent evidence in context, which can lead to erroneous conclusions? I'm not sure what you'd need to support that statement.
We have two BJJ schools. One competes and the other does not? Which one better prepares the students for competition? I’d say the one that encourages students to actively compete. Seems like common sense to me.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by micro and macro, in the context of this post that is.
No, I said
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I said your comment was ignorant, not you were ignorant
From a technical standpoint, teaching students how to count and show proper respect doesn't diminish the SD component of MA. However; from a grappling standpoint I understand the importance of training no-gi grappling as it pertains to how certain techniques are modified.
No, I'm not muddying the waters. It's both a motivation for the school and something that helps the school stay open, which increases the likelihood that - among schools that compete - the ones that do the best job preparing for competition are most likely to survive. That's a dynamic that helps sport-oriented schools.
for starters i never said it diminishes the self defense value of martial arts.
I think is a population that doesn't find that counting or the new etiquette daunting, but finds it unnecessary. I'm ambivalent to it, but also see it as not a necessary part of training. I still tend to use Japanese terms, but only because they're easy and comfortable for me (because most of my training used them), not because I think they're particularly useful to training. For a new student, I try to use as little Japanese as possible.
Okay, I'll try and explain how they're different. Our actions aren't always consistent with our characteristics. Meaning, intelligent people can do unintelligent things and coordinated people can trip and fall down. You saying something ignorant doesn't automatically mean you're ignorant.
You're getting to hung up on the motions and missing the principal. It's not the action itself of bowing, but it's about showing respect. The MA class(regardless if it's in the US or not) understands that bowing is a sign of respect and why it's important. The fact that bowing isn't rooted in American culture is meaningless, the fact that they know what it means is important.
How have I said I know everything? I have my own views on the topic and I give examples and my reasoning behind them. The conversation hasn't be uncivilized at all, if you think it has please provide examples.
What would qualify as "various reasons"?
How is distracting?
Again, your comment is ignorant. Meaning, it's based off misinformation and thus you draw inaccurate conclusions. Many styles of MA have you learn the techniques in the original language, that's not solely a "Judo and Karate" method. Travel all over the world and many MA schools in various countries(even excluding the originator of the style) will call many of the techniques by their original names. The use of GIs wasn't invented as a means for marketing "Judo and Karate" when it came to the US. GIs have been used for a very long time are still used all over the world as training uniforms. In summary, neither the foreign terms nor GIs were created as marketing gimmicks when MA came to the US.
i understand that, i was more referring to your initial comment to something i said, i dont know why you said it. but its many posts ago and is irrelevant at this point. so no use in derailing the important debate and the thread in general, ill let it go.
its been my observation that people bow in class because they are told they have to. people will bow due to the requirements and expectations of the class which is far different than having a feeling of sincere gratitude or respect in your heart and having that express itself as a bow. by this i mean people will bow as an empty gesture. it is not our (im in America) culture to express things with this gesture. wouldnt it be more appropriate to shake hands or bump gloves like in boxing. why is it that we bow and not shake hands?
i could point out that for a long time in America and still continues that bowing is a religious problem for many people. i actually know of one American 8th Dan master of Okinawan Goju ryu that had to give up his karate and dojo when he married a born again Christian women and converted to her church and religion. many Christian, Jehovah and i think Muslim people find it a sin and intolerable to bow or meditate.
nope not even close.
learning a language is expected if your in another country and/ or the teacher is from another country and uses his language to teach. that is perfectly acceptable. but it is not a method, its a fact of life that people speak different languages. i also understand many styles other than Judo and karate do this. i just felt that it would be "understood" that i dont need to make a list of every art and that those two would be representative of the general concept.
i never said it was invented as a marketing tool. you are reading into things that were never said or implied. i am well aware of the origins of the Gi probably much more so that you are. its called cultural appropriation and was used as a marketing gimmick. to be specific you cant invent or create cultural appropriation. it has to be there already.
actually to me the whole thread was started to point out the growing but mistaken dogma and arrogance within MMA and BJJ that sport training is effective for street self defense.
