Keysi Fighting Method/Defence Lab

[Deleted member 39489]

There no such thing in UK law as assault with an offensive weapon,, there is Wounding with a weapon, but that's any weapon, even aCard board tube, which will always have the legally specified defence of SELF defence.

If wearing them is carrying an offensive weapon, ( which is an offence) is debatable, but possibly so

The brackets/necklaces they sell are taught to be used as knuckle dusters/flails.

 

[jobo]

The brackets/necklaces they sell are taught to be used as knuckle dusters/flails.

SO, there's nothing wrong with wearing item that could be used as a weapon, wearing things that can be proved are designed as a,weapon could be problematic

 

[jobo]

The mount escape relies on pain response. Its watered down, you can escape a mount without doing that.

I dont know how many times i have to keep telling you I trained KFM/Defense lab FOR YEARS.

Find me one video of defense lab sparring or being used in a street fight , you wont.

I have provided BJJ, you provide defense lab, i can wait.

You were claiming you had scientific evidence that jbb, is better for self defence than dl, now you've resorted to the lowest common denominator and started posting you tube vids,,,,, that do not prove that point, and worse you are trying to shift the burden of proof to me, you made the claim, you prove it

 

[Deleted member 39489]

SO, there's nothing wrong with wearing item that could be used as a weapon, wearing things that can be proved are designed as a,weapon could be problematic

It is designed as a weapon, there are even videos showing Andy using them as a weapon, a prosecution can easily prove you intended to use it as a weapon by the fact you trained using it as such.

Defence Lab Shop - Defence Lab

 

[Deleted member 39489]

What is "balistic self defense"?

Where is the power from that ascending hammer coming from?

Why do they always use such janky camera angles when using the suits?

Why dont they show the technique against resisting opponents?

Why is Ruben just standing there?

bal·lis·tic
/bəˈlistik/
adjective

1. relating to projectiles or their flight.
2. moving under the force of gravity only.

 

[jobo]

Exept there is no evidence of DL working in any environment.

There is a 0% success rate of DL working anywhere. So even your incorrect conclusion of a 50% success is still 50% better.

And then we can go to individual BJJ competitors who have a much greater than 50%. DL still being at zero. Then we can find the competitor that compete in other styles like MMA and DL is still zero. We can even see on youtube BJJ working in self defence. And DL still is zero for evidence of anything.

Even the guy fighing with the cardboard tube has more evidence behind it than DL at this stage.

There no evidence that you know of,,,but what you need to prove is but is better at self defence. You can't just take an absence of evidence, had you even bothered to research it, which you havent, as proof bjj, is better. That's poor science.

And the claim was science would prove blk is better

 

[jobo]

It is designed as a weapon, there are even videos showing Andy using them as a weapon, a prosecution can easily prove you intended to use it as a weapon by the fact you trained using it as such.

Defence Lab Shop - Defence Lab

Well no that's not the actual law, proving intent is very difficult, unless you admit to it or you threaten someone with it. And how exactly would they prove you had trained with it, unless Andy have evidence against you and you could be training to use it in your own home, where offensive weapons are by no means illegal

 

[jobo]

What is "balistic self defense"?

Where is the power from that ascending hammer coming from?

Why do they always use such janky camera angles when using the suits?

Why dont they show the technique against resisting opponents?

Why is Ruben just standing there?

bal·lis·tic
/bəˈlistik/
adjective

1. relating to projectiles or their flight.
2. moving under the force of gravity only.

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[Deleted member 39489]

Well no that's not the actual law, proving intent is very difficult, unless you admit to it or you threaten someone with it. And how exactly would they prove you had trained with it, unless Andy have evidence against you and you could be training to use it in your own home, where offensive weapons are by no means illegal

Because just like a knuckle duster its still a weapon, is a knuckleduster on a chain still a weapon?

 

[Deleted member 39489]

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Do you not notice all the video is compliant ********.

 

[jobo]

Because just like a knuckle duster its still a weapon, is a knuckleduster on a chain still a weapon?

No no and no.
The laws on weapons are badly written, from the police's point I view, and really open from the public's point I view.

The police have to pROVe, that is was designed as a weapon, or that this string of beads are more dangerous than any other necklass, it's clearly not as dangerous as a,20 oz gold chain, or that you intended to use it as a weapon, which is very difficult as they can't read your mind. If they cant prove either of those beyond reasonable doubt, you are free to go.

I've had this discussion several times about walking about with a base ball bat,

 

[Deleted member 39489]

No no and no.
The laws on weapons are badly written, from the police's point I view, and really open from the public's point I view.

The police have to pROVe, that is was designed as a weapon, or that this string of beads are more dangerous than any other necklass, it's clearly not as dangerous as a,20 oz gold chain, or that you intended to use it as a weapon, which is very difficult as they can't read your mind. If they cant prove either of those beyond reasonable doubt, you are free to go.

I've had this discussion several times about walking about with a base ball bat,

They call it self defense jewellery. Its marketed as a weapon.

 

[Deleted member 39489]

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[jobo]

They call it self defense jewellery. Its marketed as a weapon.

Well that's besides the point, if I get a pretty standard umbrella and market it as a tactical defence umbrella, it's still an umbrella no more dangerous than any other umbrella so it's legal, the same then is true of beads or heavily studded belts or belts made out of motor bike chain etc

 

[jobo]

Do you not notice all the video is compliant ********.

It's demo vid, all demo vids are compliant, if the guys hits you in the head with his knuckles duster then there is no demo vid

 

[jobo]

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[Tony Dismukes]

I've beaten people 50% larger with no bjj, but I'm not using that to sell the benefits of jofu

If those people were also trained fighters and you documented your victories on video, then you might have some interested students. If you trained a dozen other people in jofu to the point where they also defeated larger, trained opponents and documented those fights, then you could almost certainly get some traction in selling your art. Go for it!

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Arm bars rely on pain compliance and you seem very fond of those

If you rely on pain compliance for your arm bars, then you're doing them wrong.

A properly applied arm bar does structural damage. First ligaments start popping, then the joint dislocates. In extreme cases bones can be broken. In sparring, we tap to avoid that result. In a street fight you can't trust an attacker to tap and accept defeat, so you just damage the limb and move on.

 

[jobo]

You break a person structure with the bar, you are relying on controlling or breaking the limb not pain.

You are also ignoring my points, all of the time and its becoming annoying.

They sell the rings and "defensive jewelery" to scam money out of you, pretty sure the UK laws say that using those is assault with an offensive weapon.

If you rely on pain compliance for your arm bars, then you're doing them wrong.

A properly applied arm bar does structural damage. First ligaments start popping, then the joint dislocates. In extreme cases bones can be broken. In sparring, we tap to avoid that result. In a street fight you can't trust an attacker to tap and accept defeat, so you just damage the limb and move on.

So popping ligaments isn't painful ?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I dont, no one has mounted me( in a fight) since I was 8 years old, so it seems a completely pointless thing to worry about , I'm far more concerned with how not to end up lay on my back with some sAt on me

There are lots of videos of actual fights and attacks that end up with someone in mount. Just because nobody has ever gotten me in one doesn't mean it can't happen. If we took that logic, most folks should never train any self-defense, since most haven't been attacked or in a fight since elementary school. Mind you, training to avoid being in mount is arguably wiser, but that doesn't change the logic dramatically.