Keysi Fighting Method/Defence Lab

[drop bear]

Constant mean all the time, all day everyday, you need to be fitter at 6 than you were at 5 which is fitter than you were at 4. And then day after day,

consistent
kənˈsɪst(ə)nt/
adjective

1. 1.
   acting or done in the same way over time, especially so as to be fair or accurate.
   "the parents are being consistent and firm in their reactions"
2. 2.
   (of an argument or set of ideas) not containing any logical contradictions.
   "a consistent explanation"

 

[drop bear]

Well expressly they are claiming bjj, is better at self defence than defence lab, because for one dl, doesn't teach how to get out of a mount, my point is they canT provide any actual data to support that, I'm not rehashing debates from two days ago because you missed them, support theIrclaim If that's your belief and let's start from their

There is no evidence that defence lab has ever gotten out of mount. Other than being let out of mount by their training partner. Or ever gotten out of anything.

we haven't seen DL work live or resisted at any point. So even your incorrect 50% success rate is better than zero success.

 

[drop bear]

If it doesn't have a scripts, it's not a scenario, you fight for the knife, as scripted, he isn't allowed to head but you and then stab you, so you have the advantage and there an unconscious bias in such to prove the TEChnique works

Not really. If you can't headbut or stab him then the contest is even. But regardless the contest doesn't have to be even. So long as there is honest feed back in which to make an assesment.

So if he has a rubber knife and stabs me fifty times to victory. then we can still build a theory off that. Even if the theory is dont try to take a knife off a guy.

 

[jobo]

So If use 1 method of training the outcome could be anything. So I lift heavy weights. I may get stronger or I may get weaker. There is no way to tell?

Like when you turn the key your car may start or it may become a bouquet of flowers. How can we really tell?

As I said existentialism is an inpractical way to manage life.

If you train consistently, your gains will not Be consistant, they will vary week on week, some weeks you will make no gain at all,Some times you won't be as strong as last week, some times quite a lot, But it will always vary,until eventually you stop making gains at all, that is the very dDefinition of inconsistent,

 

[jobo]

There is no evidence that defence lab has ever gotten out of mount. Other than being let out of mount by their training partner. Or ever gotten out of anything.

we haven't seen DL work live or resisted at any point. So even your incorrect 50% success rate is better than zero success.

But there's no evidence that bjj, is better than no training at all for self defence. , so that's a zero foR bjj,aswell

 

[veritasAequitas]

But there's no evidence that bjj, is better than no training at all for self defence. , so that's a zero foR bjj,aswell

How do you get out of a mount?

 

[jobo]

How do you get out of a mount?

I dont, no one has mounted me( in a fight) since I was 8 years old, so it seems a completely pointless thing to worry about , I'm far more concerned with how not to end up lay on my back with some sAt on me

 

[pdg]

I'm utterly befuddled, can someone assist please?

Is the argument that KFM/DL is no good, or is it good?

Is BJJ supposed to be good or bad?

For either system and either answer, how would one come up with a scientifically valid method of assessment and against what should it be measured?

All the almost incoherent babble about a Ford that only works half the time because it reinterprets the scientific principles it's designed around on a daily basis beating a Porsche has thrown me a bit and I'm completely lost.


Oh, and most importantly and intriguingly of all - what art does @jobo study that allows pseudo scientific debunking of other arts?

Seriously, you seem to think you talk a hard man game with stories of bottles and beating people up with no remorse, but I don't recall mention of any formal training...

 

[jobo]

I'm utterly befuddled, can someone assist please?

Is the argument that KFM/DL is no good, or is it good?

Is BJJ supposed to be good or bad?

For either system and either answer, how would one come up with a scientifically valid method of assessment and against what should it be measured?

All the almost incoherent babble about a Ford that only works half the time because it reinterprets the scientific principles it's designed around on a daily basis beating a Porsche has thrown me a bit and I'm completely lost.


Oh, and most importantly and intriguingly of all - what art does @jobo study that allows pseudo scientific debunking of other arts?

Seriously, you seem to think you talk a hard man game with stories of bottles and beating people up with no remorse, but I don't recall mention of any formal training...

I have variously trained in judu,kung, fu,briefly in tkd, and currently in karate, spread out over 45 years or so. , fighting people , fighting people with bottles was just a part of growing up in salford, you couldn't fight, you got beaten up, there was three of them you used a bottletle. , not fighting wasNtreally an option, ,They just caught you later,, you moved three streets to far you got beaten up, you went in the wrong pub you got beaten up, you won at pool you got beaten up, even getting on a bus was likely to end in you getting beaten up, I once got into a fight whilst carry a fridge,
from a Van into a house, it was all of five yards, they didn't like my attitude

I was in the pUnk wars, fought across Manchester in 76/77, where gangs would beat you up just got having short hair and a leather jacket, I was involved in the mod/ rocket revival Fights of the early 80s we're gangs would beat you up or having long hair and a leather jacket, and if course numerous man United away matches that always ended in a fight,

All this not helped by me being tall, thin , having red hair and being really mouthy

 

[veritasAequitas]

I dont, no one has mounted me( in a fight) since I was 8 years old, so it seems a completely pointless thing to worry about , I'm far more concerned with how not to end up lay on my back with some sAt on me

Thats subjective logic though, objectively being mounted does happen and i provided video evidence.

What do you do?

 

[jobo]

Thats subjective logic though, objectively being mounted does happen and i provided video evidence.

What do you do?

Well no thAt objective logic, objectively no one has done that to me, just as no one has dropped on anvil of a cliff on to my head, so I worry about nether, though both are remotely possible. The world full of remote possibilities that I spend no time on at all.

If we take your vid, if I have someone twice my weight Say on me and he has three friends with him, then I have lost anyway, getting out of the amount, if possible with someone who weights 400 lbs, will only mean I'm be beaten up by him AND his friends, so largely a pointless thing to do,

 

[veritasAequitas]

You goalpost every time in order to dodge the question.

Have you ever trained defense lab?
What would you do if mounted?

You've also derailed this entire thread

 

[jobo]

You goalpost every time in order to dodge the question.

Have you ever trained defense lab?
What would you do if mounted?

You've also derailed this entire thread

I've answered both those questions,
I'm waiting for anyone to come up with some data that bjj, is better than dl, it seems no one can manage to do so, so it seems they are both the same level for self defence

 

[veritasAequitas]

I've answered both those questions,
I'm waiting for anyone to come up with some data that bjj, is better than dl, it seems no one can manage to do so, so it seems they are both the same level for self defence

No you didn't.

Bjj uses tested techniques against resisting opponents

Defence lab doesn't

 

[jobo]

No you didn't.

Bjj uses tested techniques against resisting opponents

Defence lab doesn't

yes i did, perhaps not as you wished,

its now gone full circle, bjj has only been tested against other bjjers and not at all fir self defence,
so both systems are untested for self defence, your anecdotes don't count as a scientific test

 

[veritasAequitas]

yes i did, perhaps not as you wished,

its now gone full circle, bjj has only been tested against other bjjers and not at all fir self defence,
so both systems are untested for self defence, your anecdotes don't count as a scientific test

No you goal posted the question
I wouldn't let it happen isn't an answer

Bjj is used in mma almost exclusively we have demonstration of it working

The techniques don't change other than to adapt them to the situation at hand.

To say no training is better than bjj is idiotic.

What's an acceptable sample size because so far all you do is deflect or goalpost.

 

[jobo]

No you goal posted the question
I wouldn't let it happen isn't an answer

Bjj is used in mma almost exclusively we have demonstration of it working

The techniques don't change other than to adapt them to the situation at hand.

To say no training is better than bjj is idiotic.

What's an acceptable sample size because so far all you do is deflect or goalpost.

i didn't say i wouldnt let it happen , i said its only a remote possibility, sp not worth worrying about and that is an answer to a very hypothetical question,

mma is not a self defence situation, its rules based sport, have you anything that supports your claim is better than nothing for self defence?, if you cant prove its better than nothing, how are you going to show its better than dl,?

 

[veritasAequitas]

Mount escape

How many instances do I have to find? Just because its not happening to you doesnt mean it doesn't happen

 

[veritasAequitas]

i didn't say i wouldnt let it happen , i said its only a remote possibility, sp not worth worrying about and that is an answer to a very hypothetical question,

mma is not a self defence situation, its rules based sport, have you anything that supports your claim is better than nothing for self defence?, if you cant prove its better than nothing, how are you going to show its better than dl,?

As I've told you, using it in alive resistant training and in fights.

 

[jobo]

As I've told you, using it in alive resistant training and in fights.

no, let's not get involve in your anacdotes as being scientific proof.

ok, every days close to a 100% of fights that happen all over the world are won by people with no formal training, to show bjj is more effective than no formal training, you'd need to show that bjj had a better, ie more or less 100% success rate in self defence, can you do that