Hanzou
Grandmaster
Where do you get the impression that I believe I can beat him?
I posted that to show you Aikido without touching the opponent.
How can Aikido be considered "grappling" if the Aikidoka isn't touching anyone?
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Where do you get the impression that I believe I can beat him?
I posted that to show you Aikido without touching the opponent.
How can Aikido be considered "grappling" if the Aikidoka isn't touching anyone?
Hanzou
Grandmaster
The terminology was popularized largely due to MMA.
In the end, when you think of grappling, you tend to not think of karate or Aikido wrist locks.
Actually I do think of karate or Aikido wrist locks when I think of grappling. I also think of Judo, BJJ, JJJ, Hapkido, TKD and others. I think you are grappling with some issues.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
Lot of guys speaking with authority on aikido. Just wondering who knows what they're talking about.
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No, Boxing is an art that contains a limited amount of grappling.
Why should he show one when you have never shown a video of yourself?
If the majority of Aikido was trained that way most of the time then it couldn't but this is not the case.
"MMA" existed long before the words "mixed martial arts" became common, and in the U.S. long before the Gracie's arried.
"Grappling" as well, I'm afraid:
Larry Hartsell Biography
This book came out in 1982...before there was "MMA" there were those of us who practiced "multiple martiala rts," and there were composite arts like JKD:
There's grappling in western boxing, wing chun, karate, muay thai,.
Wrestling: Greco-roman wrestling, catch-wrestling, judo, jujutsu and aikido are all "grappling arts"
Fixed that for ya.
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And I would call BJJ combat cuddling and it would be just as meaningless.
I've added all I intend to for that part of the conversation.....aikido is a "grappling art."
I have added a thread on my presentation of the Back fist so as to not derail this thread any more than it already has been.
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I absolutely do consider aikido a grappling art, but it's primarily focused on a very different aspect of grappling than Judo/BJJ/Sombo/Greco-Roman/Freestyle/Catch Wrestling.
Ellis Amdur refers to it as "arms-length" grappling as opposed to "body-to-body" grappling, which seems as useful a terminology distinction as any.
Interesting. I don't believe any of that material is part of the classical aikido curriculum. It looks like the practitioner is adopting catch wrestling moves and applying them with an aikido flavor. Folks can argue over whether that's a good thing or in keeping with traditional aikido principles, but kudos to him for trying something new.
Hey, hey, hey! Let's not leave out important details. It's combat cuddling in our pajamas!
Ellis Amdur refers to it as "arms-length" grappling as opposed to "body-to-body" grappling, which seems as useful a terminology distinction as any.
Interesting. I don't believe any of that material is part of the classical aikido curriculum. It looks like the practitioner is adopting catch wrestling moves and applying them with an aikido flavor. Folks can argue over whether that's a good thing or in keeping with traditional aikido principles, but kudos to him for trying something new.
Hey, hey, hey! Let's not leave out important details. It's combat cuddling in our pajamas!
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TSDTexan
Master of Arts
You realize that your statementsthat fighting from your knees is different than fighting from your feet Does Not change the fact that what I said about Aikido having much of its Standing Waza available in knee-walking mode.
It remains true, dispute your denial.
Many drop throws of aikido mirror the Judo counterparts, because they were fairly common jujutsu throws found in many systems.
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TSDTexan
Master of Arts
Ya, early on, I mentioned the Back fist of old "Te" being thrown from a vertical alignment, with a relaxed wrist that was rotated in with the fist rotated out, over a trapped hand as a punch defense.
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TSDTexan
Master of Arts
Tell me how many (percentage wise) Aikidoka train this?
5% 1% 1/2 of 1%.... I can pretty much tell you that this isn't something that 90-95% of Aikidoka train.
I Think you are grasping at straws to shore up a lost cause.
Aikido is grappling. And about this you are wrong.
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TSDTexan
Master of Arts
Regular western boxing has a Ref to break up clinches.
Muy Thai has very specific attacks used in the clinch.. So in this case yes MT boxing has a grappling component, but it is primarily at striking art.
Aikido is not primarily a striking art... It is a grappling art.
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TSDTexan
Master of Arts
18 months on and off in about two 9month stints.
