Joe Rogan smack talking TMA's like kung fu

[Hanzou]

I would like you to be his Uke... And try to RNC him.

Where do you get the impression that I believe I can beat him?

I posted that to show you Aikido without touching the opponent.

How can Aikido be considered "grappling" if the Aikidoka isn't touching anyone?

 

[Hanzou]

Hate to break it to ya bud but MMA is not the only context.

The terminology was popularized largely due to MMA.

In the end, when you think of grappling, you tend to not think of karate or Aikido wrist locks.

 

[Steve]

Does anyone in this thread have any actual, practical experience with aikido? Just curious.

 

[elder999]

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Does anyone in this thread have any actual, practical experience with aikido? Just curious.

Yeah, I do, but I don't see how it's relevant at all.

 

[RTKDCMB]

In the end, when you think of grappling, you tend to not think of karate or Aikido wrist locks.

Actually I do think of karate or Aikido wrist locks when I think of grappling. I also think of Judo, BJJ, JJJ, Hapkido, TKD and others. I think you are grappling with some issues.

 

[Steve]

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Yeah, I do, but I don't see how it's relevant at all.

Lot of guys speaking with authority on aikido. Just wondering who knows what they're talking about.


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[RTKDCMB]

Boxing has the clinch. Is boxing now a grappling art as wel

No, Boxing is an art that contains a limited amount of grappling.

Would you be kind enough to actually show them? I know of only one.

Why should he show one when you have never shown a video of yourself?

 

[RTKDCMB]

How can Aikido be considered "grappling" if the Aikidoka isn't touching anyone?

If the majority of Aikido was trained that way most of the time then it couldn't but this is not the case.

 

[elder999]

The terminology was popularized largely due to MMA.

"MMA" existed long before the words "mixed martial arts" became common, and in the U.S. long before the Gracie's arried.

"Grappling" as well, I'm afraid:
Larry Hartsell Biography

This book came out in 1982...before there was "MMA" there were those of us who practiced "multiple martiala rts," and there were composite arts like JKD:

There's grappling in western boxing, wing chun, karate, muay thai,.

Wrestling: Greco-roman wrestling, catch-wrestling, judo, jujutsu and aikido are all "grappling arts"

TIn the end, when you think of grappling, I tend to not think of karate or Aikido wrist locks.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Frankly, in those circles, Aikido is generally referred to as "crappling".

And I would call BJJ combat cuddling and it would be just as meaningless.

 

[elder999]

Does anyone in this thread have any actual, practical experience with aikido? Just curious.

I've added all I intend to for that part of the conversation.....aikido is a "grappling art."

 

[elder999]

And I would call BJJ combat cuddling and it would be just as meaningless.

"Combat cuddling..." cute.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Some of the TMA presentations of backfist are limiting physically. With full body strength, though they start to have effect.

I have added a thread on my presentation of the Back fist so as to not derail this thread any more than it already has been.

Back fist strike. | MartialTalk.Com - Friendly Martial Arts Forum Community

 

[Xue Sheng]

Why is it everyone seems to think a back fist strike only goes horizontally?

What I am getting out of this thread is that a whole lot of people have no idea what a back fist actually can be

I shall post in the new thread

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I absolutely do consider aikido a grappling art, but it's primarily focused on a very different aspect of grappling than Judo/BJJ/Sombo/Greco-Roman/Freestyle/Catch Wrestling.

Ellis Amdur refers to it as "arms-length" grappling as opposed to "body-to-body" grappling, which seems as useful a terminology distinction as any.

Interesting. I don't believe any of that material is part of the classical aikido curriculum. It looks like the practitioner is adopting catch wrestling moves and applying them with an aikido flavor. Folks can argue over whether that's a good thing or in keeping with traditional aikido principles, but kudos to him for trying something new.

And I would call BJJ combat cuddling and it would be just as meaningless.

Hey, hey, hey! Let's not leave out important details. It's combat cuddling in our pajamas!

 

[TSDTexan]

Eh, not really. The ground fighting looked nothing like Aikido, and you can tell he pulled it from another system almost instantly. Ground fighting is kind of the antithesis of Aikido, and it makes sense why its pretty much non-existent within the system.



Which is true, but he's adding something that was never really part of the system, and frankly it doesn't really fit.



That's quite a stretch. Fighting from your knees is quite a bit different from fighting off your back.



Boxing has the clinch. Is boxing now a grappling art as well?



Would you be kind enough to actually show them? I know of only one.

You realize that your statementsthat fighting from your knees is different than fighting from your feet Does Not change the fact that what I said about Aikido having much of its Standing Waza available in knee-walking mode.

It remains true, dispute your denial.

Many drop throws of aikido mirror the Judo counterparts, because they were fairly common jujutsu throws found in many systems.

 

[TSDTexan]

Why is it everyone seems to think a back fist strike only goes horizontally?

What I am getting out of this thread is that a whole lot of people have no idea what a back fist actually can be

I shall post in the new thread

Ya, early on, I mentioned the Back fist of old "Te" being thrown from a vertical alignment, with a relaxed wrist that was rotated in with the fist rotated out, over a trapped hand as a punch defense.

 

[TSDTexan]

Where do you get the impression that I believe I can beat him?

I posted that to show you Aikido without touching the opponent.

How can Aikido be considered "grappling" if the Aikidoka isn't touching anyone?

Tell me how many (percentage wise) Aikidoka train this?
5% 1% 1/2 of 1%.... I can pretty much tell you that this isn't something that 90-95% of Aikidoka train.

I Think you are grasping at straws to shore up a lost cause.
Aikido is grappling. And about this you are wrong.

 

[TSDTexan]

Eh, not really. The ground fighting looked nothing like Aikido, and you can tell he pulled it from another system almost instantly. Ground fighting is kind of the antithesis of Aikido, and it makes sense why its pretty much non-existent within the system.



Which is true, but he's adding something that was never really part of the system, and frankly it doesn't really fit.



That's quite a stretch. Fighting from your knees is quite a bit different from fighting off your back.



Boxing has the clinch. Is boxing now a grappling art as well?



Would you be kind enough to actually show them? I know of only one.

Regular western boxing has a Ref to break up clinches.
Muy Thai has very specific attacks used in the clinch.. So in this case yes MT boxing has a grappling component, but it is primarily at striking art.

Aikido is not primarily a striking art... It is a grappling art.

 

[TSDTexan]

Does anyone in this thread have any actual, practical experience with aikido? Just curious.

18 months on and off in about two 9month stints.