On another thread, Nobody Important posed the following question:
Clearly, and feel free to argue, Wing Chun as a fighting art has failed miserably when put to the test.
Perhaps Wing Chun isn't supposed to look like your doing the forms when fighting,
but more importantly, about learning how to refine gross motor skill to combined motor skill and fine motor skill when under duress. Is the art of Wing Chun being used wrong?
It's an old question, but one worthy of further discussion. What are your thoughts?
I'm going to take a chance and comment, so here I go..........
I agree with the part that I put in bold to highlight the point you are making here.
What is Wing Chun and how to use it in real application...............................
As you know Wing Chun is about the center-line theory protecting your body as the center mass however you are combining foot work like shifting movement, step to left or right or shuffling in and also the use of front kicks and other types of kicks to gain control or distance or counter or upset your opponents approach of attack where you attack the closest point of interest it might be a right lead hand then follow in to the right side body as an example or kicking the thighs so on.
As much as it is covering the triangle path its also under Chinese fighting methods taught its fighting in a circle and half circle pattern and the straight blast approach all are correct methods when the opportunity or way of entering and escaping presents its self.
Wing Chun is a simple method of fighting to reduce the gap in close quarter fighting but there is another way of thinking taken from the Shaolin fighting principles of when to expand and contract and closing the gap when the right opportunity presents it self.
Its as much as getting in close to control the fight in trapping range but taking the bite out of the attack using proper methods of covering all points of attack and counter strategy.
For example parry and wrap around one arm knee to the chest or elbow to the face then move fast over the next arm so on, if you get the point I'm making.
I hope I'm making some sense I'm no expert writer but most don't know how to translate what is taught in training from how to apply fighting application and poorly represent Wing Chun and others Martial arts as whole.
The only guy that I currently see doing things the way I see it to be done is Master Wongs methods of street fight defense using Wing Chun.
I was taught traditional Wing Chun but understood thats the form in the learning process and real life expression is more aggressive and strategic in application and its more about the person expressing it then the art itself.
I also took to learning about the approach to fighting when others simply don't study it, but just apply to learning the martial art style not the application of fighting.
Its why I posted this............
*** UFC - THE ART OF THE FIGHT *** ........but that thread was lost also in not understanding the concept of fighting and I also did not explain it properly either so read posts #1, 3, 11
But Watch Master Wong here.......
Its about applying what your learn not applying the form, does that make any sense, because the form is the process of learning.
Not like this...................
As for the above video just two guys punching each other senseless is not skilled or trained individuals expressing martial arts showing any awareness of good fighting skills but just a brutal way of attacking each other looking for a knock out. They are not relaxed but both very tense and overly focused on the fear of getting hit rather than managing distance not get hit using fakes and entry points of attack as an example.
its about correct understanding.......... "Think Street - Train Sport"!
So by training like this it could very well save your life if ever confronted with the horrid situation of attacking and defending yourself in a real confrontation that can happen anywhere anytime in an instance.
Also what contributes to poor performance in realistic expression of fighting is that people panic instead of keeping calm relaxed and breathing or thinking, reading movement patterns as well as learning in the fight. You do this by moving around don't just walk into it allot depends on the surroundings but evading is also the tactical advantage of watching the opponent.
Its really a good discussion point and a science to learn and express it in sparring.
How Martial arts is commonly taught nowadays is more of a hobby sport not so much focused on the "Art of Fighting" which sadly completely misses the mark when its needed in reality for defensive purposes and people with good intent get hurt badly, because they have not learned to translate those skill sets over to real practical experience and you see this allot on YouTubes and people make claims that the martial art is at fault thats not entirely true or the whole account of the problem or analysis.
Its about weighing in the whole account and balances so to speak not just focusing on one side.
Well I hope I have added something to the thread for discussion keeping it concise and to the point I believe. I will always love martial arts for its many forms styles ways of thinking just the knowledge you get its fascinating how the body can do all these things.
