How Wing Chun is supposed to look...in my book

[ballen0351]

Let's say an Aikido school invited a group of boxers to spar with the Aikidokas and see how to apply their Aikido against someone throwing fast punches at them. Would that improve the abilities of the Aikidoka, or make them worse?

Who knows? Who are the boxers? Who are the Aikidoas? Who says we dont throw "fast punches" at my Aikido dojo?

 

[Jake104]

In my personal experience the way you carry yourself really makes the difference. There have been numerous times when someone tries to start something with me. I usually only have to walk up give them that look. I don't even really say much. They sense my energy and realize I'm not a punk.

Just recently I was in Vegas and a group of us were walking through the casino. My brother accidentally bumped some guy. He was with a large group . he was like " hey say sorry" so my brother who isn't a confrontational guy apologized right away. He then was like" that's what I thought" so I turned around and he goes "easy there tough guy". So I walked right up to his group by myself and got in his face and just said " that's my brother you better watch it". I could see the fear in his eyes. He tried to play it off and not loose face. I was ready to go. I feel real comfortable close range so I was on guard. Nothing happened. Cause loud mouths like that are usually are all bark no bite.

 

[ballen0351]

IAdditionally, there's a marked difference in performance for styles that spar, and styles that don't spar. I've seen it and experienced it personally.
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Whats the marked difference you have seen?

 

[Hanzou]

Who knows? Who are the boxers? Who are the Aikidoas?

Amateur boxers, typical Aikikai Aikido school.

Both groups sparring against each other with the goal of improving their skill sets. Would they?

Who says we dont throw "fast punches" at my Aikido dojo?

I never said you didn't.

 

[Tez3]

Both groups sparring against each other with the goal of improving their skill sets. Would they?

Wouldn't it be hard doing Aikido with boxing gloves on?

 

[ballen0351]

Amateur boxers, typical Aikikai Aikido school.

Both groups sparring against each other with the goal of improving their skill sets. Would they?

How would I know?

I never said you didn't.

So why would we need boxers come in to throw fast punches when we do it ourselves?

 

[Hanzou]

Whats the marked difference you have seen?

In my school for example, there's a marked difference in ability between those who roll extensively, and those who leave before rolling begins. Those who don't roll have weaker games all around, and tend to get demolished by those who roll constantly.

 

[Hanzou]

Wouldn't it be hard doing Aikido with boxing gloves on?

They can use MMA gloves instead.

 

[Jake104]

Who knows? Who are the boxers? Who are the Aikidoas? Who says we dont throw "fast punches" at my Aikido dojo?

Mike Tyson , Sugar Ray Leonard, and Mohammad Ali. Steven segals dojo. That's Hanzou's fantasy fight team.

 

[Hanzou]

Mike Tyson , Sugar Ray Leonard, and Mohammad Ali. Steven segals dojo. That's Hanzou's fantasy fight team.

I would very much like to see the results of such a session.

 

[ballen0351]

In my school for example, there's a marked difference in ability between those who roll extensively, and those who leave before rolling begins. Those who don't roll have weaker games all around, and tend to get demolished by those who roll constantly.

So people that leave class early and dont practice as much are not as good as the people that stay longer and practice more........HMMMM

 

[Jake104]

I would very much like to see the results of such a session.

I knew you would!

 

[Mephisto]

I think the worse thing you can do in a real situation is to square off with someone. Once you square off it becomes a 50/50% chance. Any advantage you just had as a trained fighter is lost. That's why in the ring they square you off. To make it fair. In the street fair is to risky. I want the element of suprise on my side.. This is why I train in a neutral stance for self defense situations.

Technical difficulties, just write a nice snarky post and lost it.

 

[Jake104]

If like to see each boxer do randori multiple attacker style.

 

[Jake104]

I agree! Mephisto! That's why I wrote the quote.

 

[Marnetmar]

Will someone remind me why we're attempting to skip around the idea that sparring with someone from another style improves your training?

 

[Jake104]

Technical difficulties, just write a nice snarky post and lost it.

Too slow! I snatched the pebble! Haha

 

[Mephisto]

I agree! Mephisto! That's why I wrote the quote.

Thanks! I was commenting about how your squaring up = 50/50 chance of winning is bs. A bigger guy, experienced MMA guy, hardened violent offender, and even an experienced wc guy would have an advantage over a smaller inexperienced guy.
But I agree that squaring up is stupid, I also train from a neutral stance. I also train to take an unassuming hands up stance if things are sketchy. Squaring off is what fighters do, it does give the other guy the advantage to anticipate that an attack is coming. I recommend keeping cool trying to diffuse a situation and if the guy continues or tries to chest bump, let him have it. An MMA guy or boxer is perfectly capable of not squaring up too.

 

[Jake104]

Will someone remind me we're attempting to skip around the idea that sparring with someone from another style improves your training?

I said earlier that sparring with other styles helped me more than with other WC practitioners. I think Hawkins, Wong Shun Leung, William Cheung, and Bruce lee all believed this as well. I think Most of IP Mans student did this

 

[Mephisto]

Will someone remind me we're attempting to skip around the idea that sparring with someone from another style improves your training?

Because it's obvious training with new people is beneficial to learning.