Someone giving you things does not make you gifted.You have to view my comments in the context of a highly gifted individual, who can put two and two together.
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Someone giving you things does not make you gifted.You have to view my comments in the context of a highly gifted individual, who can put two and two together.
Btw, he also bashed your dear Karate, claiming that TKD was an improvement (surpassed) Karate, as if this was a fact by the time his encyclopedia was written. Silly beyond belief.
I don't think you're looking at this in the right way. I believe you have to think about Choi in the context of all the stuff that was happening in that era.
For Korean people of Choi's generation, it was very difficult to like anything Japanese. For 35 years Imperial Japan occupied Korea, and the occupation was particularly cruel. Korean men -- often just teenagers -- were drafted into the Japanese army and forced to fight for the Japanese; by World War II the Japanese army was drafting 300,000 Korean men per year into the Japanese army, forcing these men to fight for their oppressors. Nobody even knows how many young Korean girls were taken from their families by the Japanese and forced into sexual slavery for the Japanese army, but some estimates place it as high as 400,000 girls. That's 400,000 daughters and sisters forced into sexual slavery. Can you imagine! Families weren't just torn apart, they were destroyed outright. Choi himself had been a prisoner of the Japanese.
If Choi had any unflattering remarks to make about Japanese martial arts, I think you have to remember the context of the times. At that time, I think it was difficulty for anybody Korean to have anything flattering to say about anything Japanese.
Korea under Japanese rule - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
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General Chois opinions of WTF makes me look soft. He also flattly stated that Karate has been surpassed by TKD. That's a blow on Karate too. I find it all hilarious.
I think it's more saddening than hilarious. You mentioned previously that some ITF folks claim that ITF is the only real Taekwon-do, and that may be true. But I don't think that's necessarily representative of most ITF practitioners. You can always find some small minority of people who like to bash this or bash that. There's no shortage of jerks in the world.
I think though that the various schisms in taekwondo are the result of a lot of real human suffering. Like real, tragic stuff that actually happened...actually happened to real living-breathing people.
For example, I think if the Japanese occupation of Korea had never happened, or had at least been less cruel, the martial artists in Korea who were practicing karate in the 20th Century might have been perfectly happy to just call it Korean karate. But given the fact that so many of their brothers and sisters, sons and daughters had been victims of Imperial Japan, that just wasn't palatable.
Likewise, if Korea hadn't become an ideological battleground between communism and the West, the original 5 Kwans might have been able to find common-ground sooner. If the South Korean dictatorships that followed World War II and the Korean War hadn't been so ruthless and mercenary, a lot of the traditional taekwondo schools in South Korea would have been able to remain in South Korea, as traditional taekwondo schools.
The Japanese occupation, World War II, the Korean War, communism, dictatorships...together those are the things that split taekwondo from karate, and helped split taekwondo into different factions, rather than just different styles. If it hadn't been for those things, would we still have different styles of taekwondo? Yah, probably...there's no guarantee that the 5 original kwans would have been able to come together. But I do think, sincerely believe, that without all that political mess, and all that human suffering, the different styles of taekwondo that we have today would be more like the different styles of karate: just different styles, all equal, nobody feeling the need to bash this or bash that.
In the UK we still have many British ex Japanese prisoners of war, (men, women and children) who cannot forgive what was done to them. Like the Koreans, the fact that Japan has never made any formal apology for happened has rankled them deeply.
I'm not sure what the OP wanted when he started this thread, I came to it because although I don't train TKD I find it interesting and would be keen to know more about it. However the flawed reasoning and illogical arguments that he has put forward seem to indicate that the purpose is to denigrate certain parts of TKD rather than have any genuine interest in learning what TKD was like in that time. The trouble is there is no coherent argument from the OP making any specific points, it's rambling, disjointed and some posts are written in such poor English as to either mean something other than intended or mean nothing at all. I will put my hands up and say I actually have no idea what he is talking about most of the time. He may contend that is my fault but I'm afraid it's not. His arguments do not only not hold water they are inconsistent showing muddled thinking, even more muddled knowledge and a lack of respect for those he is discoursing with. I will give him marks for persistence though it is the persistence of a child determined to be heard long after he's been told to go to bed.
I'm sure he won't take this critique personally as he is keen to impress on us what a good student he is. He will take it philosophically and in the spirit of academia that it is offered.
I think it's more saddening than hilarious. You mentioned previously that some ITF folks claim that ITF is the only real Taekwon-do, and that may be true. But I don't think that's necessarily representative of most ITF practitioners. You can always find some small minority of people who like to bash this or bash that. There's no shortage of jerks in the world.
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You don't know anything about the subject, so why comment. I happen to know the full story very well. My english far exceeds yours. I write very quickly here. You can pretend to yourself that as a native speaker it's greater than mine, despite the fact that both brits and americans butcher their own language at a regular basis.
You would have to include former ITF president Choi in the list of jerks then. He did not offer particularly kind words about the rival style KKW/WTF. If he can speak that way, I promise you instructors in ITF can as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with bashing, I would only appreciate a certain level of consistency.
That doesn't however excuse his 180 on WTF TKD...
For someone who knows the full story so well, i seem recall several TKDers in another thread having to correct your history on both ITF and WTF....
I grab glory!" That's a perfectly reasonable guess, but it's just a guess. I mean, you never even met the guy. How can you claim to be inside his head?
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The story of General Choi and WTF - the politics involved. I know the background.
You don't know anything about the subject, so why comment. I happen to know the full story very well. My english far exceeds yours. I write very quickly here. You can pretend to yourself that as a native speaker it's greater than mine, despite the fact that both brits and americans butcher their own language at a regular basis.
You would have to include former ITF president (and founder) Choi in the list of jerks then. He did not offer particularly kind words about the rival style KKW/WTF. If he can speak that way, I promise you instructors in ITF can as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with bashing, I would only appreciate a certain level of consistency.
Actually, my English Degree says my English is better than yours. .
And what I say has to be taken into the context of highest IQ in the room.
He did not offer particularly kind words about the rival style KKW/WTF.
I don't think there is anything wrong with bashing, I would only appreciate a certain level of consistency.
Actually, my English Degree says my English is better than yours. .
You don't know anything about the subject, so why comment.
I happen to know the full story very well. My english far exceeds yours. I write very quickly here.
Better, not greater. Brits. Americans. On. On a regular basis.You can pretend to yourself that as a native speaker it's greater than mine, despite the fact that both brits and americans butcher their own language at a regular basis.
You would have to include former ITF president (and founder) Choi in the list of jerks then. He did not offer particularly kind words about the rival style KKW/WTF. If he can speak that way, I promise you instructors in ITF can as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with bashing, I would only appreciate a certain level of consistency.
I don't think there is anything wrong with bashing,
You don't know anything about the subject, so why comment.