General Choi telling a North Korean NOT to twist his body when punching. "Just go up"

[User2025]

Anybody claiming Chois vision of sinewave had hip twist (for punches) wont have a case after this. Choi wanted hip twist for blocks but not punches. Terrible but true.

He also displayed this himself by throwing the punch, in case there is any doubt.

His son has thankfully ignored this and incorporated hip twist punches nonetheless.

10:14

 

[HighKick]

That is a VERY far reach and assumption.

 

[Earl Weiss]

Fair but erroneous assumption. In clip he says "Don't twist your Body" He des not say don't twist your hip. IMO in that snippet he was addressing what he felt was excessive shoulder rotation. There was another clip recently made the rounds on the FB Groups where he clearly instructs to "Jerk" your hip and abdomen. I will see if I can find it.

 

[Earl Weiss]

I know this is for Blocking - But it is not exclusively so. This is one clip

 

[Earl Weiss]

Log into Facebook Hmm what is listed as #1.

 

[Earl Weiss]

It's a nice feature in forms displays but you dont want to block with force, you want to roll with the strikes and then deliver one yourself. If you block with high impact there will be a trigger point that will disrupt both you and the opponents equilibrium, creating a loss of orientation. Nevermind the fact that it will hurt your arms.

Hmmm Let me guess "Acronym" is back.
Posted based on generalization. This ignores a couple of important points. 1. Many of the blocks are intended not just to stop you from being hit but to also damage the attacking limb. 2. Part of the system is "Dallyon" which involves body conditioning. This removes much if not all of the "Hurt Your Arms " issue.

 

[Earl Weiss]

Old citations and Choi didnt write those.

It's from his book.

 

[_Simon_]

HERE WE GOOOOO!

 

[Earl Weiss]

The quote is old and for generic attack techniques. He did not twist his hip when showing how he wanted it.

No, it's the page from Volume III Hand techniques, page 17 which follows page 16 "Hand Techniques" (Which also mentions turning the hip and abdomen) As a section divider with the next section being Defense Techniques. So, once again you have drawn an incorrect conclusion based on your limited information .This remained unchanged throughout the later volumes.

 

[Earl Weiss]

I will alert your attention to Choi correcting him about twisting, demonstrates without twisting the hip, the practitioner does it again without twisting the hip and then is allowed to proceed.

Please provide the time stamp on this video so I can address this particular comment.

 

[Earl Weiss]

The delivery below was a precursor known as knee spring and looked much more organic. He should have left it like that.

Video states it's from 1996. The term "Sine Wave was applied (Published) to describe a smooth up and down motion long (In Tk-D years) before that.

 

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[marvin8]

Please provide the time stamp on this video so I can address this particular comment.

Here is a video where Choi says, "Never twist your body, use only sine wave. This is fast motion [unmute volume]."

https://imgur.com/XBb23qn

 

[Same Trick]

Maybe inspired by tongbeiquan(a Chinese martial art) TBQ is big in the Chinese province Liaoning that borders to Korea.
Should say I can’t see the vid, just going by what’s written here

 

[marvin8]

Maybe inspired by tongbeiquan(a Chinese martial art) TBQ is big in the Chinese province Liaoning that borders to Korea.
Should say I can’t see the vid, just going by what’s written here

10:14 of the OP video is the same as my GIF in post #13. Choi says, “Don’t twist your body... You must like this.”

https://imgur.com/kPqD8pd

 

[Earl Weiss]

There are several issues here.

1. On another thread I thought I posted the clip of General Choi stating Twist always twist the hip and abdomen - Don't see it there now, so I will try to find again and post here.
2. Note he doesn't say "Don't Twist your hips" he says don't "Twist your Body" which in my opinion is targeting excessive shoulder turn more than deletion of using the hips and abdomen.
3. Note this refers to "Fast Motion" As with several things in his texts it is stated to always do certain things - but "Always" does no mean there are no exceptions. Sometimes those are stated as exceptions and sometimes just referred to that this is how you do it for this particular instance. In this instance - consistent across all patterns as specified in the text when it occurs but what is otherwise contrary to how things are usually done, is that when performing 2 techniques in a stationary walking stance you will flex the rear knee and raise the rear heel setting it down as technique impacts. For this "Fast Motion " which is 2 punches, one with each hand following a front snap kick and then stepping down forward into a walking stance and then performing an obvers punch and reverse punch the rear heal remains raised between punches and only sets down on the second punch. So, yes it would seem in this instance hip twist is minimal.

 

[Earl Weiss]

OK so "No Exceptions" maybe just a little modification

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1780283086142540

 

[marvin8]

waiting for your answer!

If you are referring to me, I quoted Choi along with clips of him to provide an example for you to comment on (which you asked the banned OP for and did) and for Same Trick to view. Since, he can’t see Youtube videos from China.

The OP made an argument, I didn't nor intend to.

 

[JowGaWolf]

What is the importance about this conversation? what changes if either side "wins the disagreement" is it historical accuor functional accuracy? I'm not a TKD so I'm curious about the value of this for TKD people. I'm not trying to be rude. I just don't know any other way to ask.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I quoted Choi along with clips of him to provide an example for you to comment

The Sin wave compressing time is too long. Also, without body rotation, the releasing force is not fully.